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Article #290747Re: PC gamers, know the roots of RTS games: TecnoSoft's HERZOG ZWEI on SEGA GENESIS / MD
From: AirRaid
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:59
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:59
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well Herzog Zwei, the first major RTS game, was played with a console control pad, not a mouse, and you could only control one unit at a time, but that does not mean Herzog Zwei wasn't an RTS. I will agree though, that RTS games are more tactical than strategic. Herzog Zwei was different in that, you actually were one of the units in battle. you carried your forces to where ever they needed to be. you fought with them, not just commanded them. there ARE actually many PC gamers / RTS gamers that know, realize and accept that Herzog Zwei was the real starting point for all RTS games, including Dune 2. while Dune 2 was different, and while Westwood had defined their own style of RTS game which many followed, I think even Westwood has acknowledged that Herzog Zwei was the inspiration for thier first RTS games, Dune 2 and C&C. With Herzog Zwei, its 4 megabits of ROM and the limited processing capabilities of the Sega MegaDrive - Genesis hardware, each side could have a max of 50 units made, placed on the map. 100 units max between the two sides. (red and blue). even then, with 100 units (even 70-90) there was slowdown. the Genesis was only using a 7.6 Mhz 68000 processor and a very limited VDP (video display processor) that could handle a limited number of objects on screen at once. IBM PCs with 386s or 486s were far more powerful.
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Path: mbox-mo1.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "AirRaid" <AirRa...@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,alt.games.starcraft,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc Subject: Re: PC gamers, know the roots of RTS games: TecnoSoft's HERZOG ZWEI on SEGA GENESIS / MD Date: 15 May 2006 15:59:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1147733941.073279.3410@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> References: <1147665409.104690.148660@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8x4ag.76906$H71.63543@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.37.238.176 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1147733946 8007 127.0.0.1 (15 May 2006 22:59:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups...@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:59:06 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <8x4ag.76906$H71.63543@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.3) Gecko/20060426 Firefox/1.5.0.3,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups...@google.com Injection-Info: u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.37.238.176; posting-account=qYSxkAwAAAC_zK9GGiPhs9hA8CL7mSE5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit