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Luc The Perverse wrote:
> "Marsh_lion" <marsh...@SPAMparadise.net.nz> wrote in message 
> news:444825d5$1@clear.net.nz...
> 
>>That is certainly your attitude. Can you "cure" these sorts of people? I 
>>certainly believe so. Granted Jail is not the best means to cure them. Let 
>>me mention being Gay as an example (I'm not willing to argue weither it is 
>>right or wrong, I believe that being Gay is a similar situation to being a 
>>sexual offender (except one being legal, and the other not)). A prominant 
>>Christian is Sy Rogers who WAS gay, and now is no longer (in fact he 
>>preaches from his own experience on why being gay is wrong (in a Christain 
>>sense)).
> 
> 
> Um . . . .  I doubt the effectiveness of "cured" gays.   I have known 
> several men who married and later divorced when they admitted they were gay. 
> This is the negative effect of an oppressive religion (in these cases 
> Mormonism).
> 
I'm not willing to say that those people were "cured". I myself have 
heard of a few stories like this. In today's Society, it is not such a 
big thing to be gay, whereas 20 or more years ago it was (hense why 
there are a number devorced gay people).

> I've often joked that if I divorced my wife that I would turn gay, just to 
> ensure I'd be available if she wanted to take me back.  But - the truth is, 
> that even though I could claim to be gay and engage in homosexual acts, I 
> know I'd still find myself staring at women and their "parts".
> 
So in that case you'd be an oppressed hetrosexual, my how this world is 
turning around :-).
> 
>>What I ment by that statment is that, while I think most american's have 
>>the attitude that they rule the world, I still have to judge each american 
>>individually (Luc is an example of this). In the same sense I believe that 
>>you still have to judge each offender individually.
> 
> 
> I've often speculated that perhaps my beliefs were more in tune with other 
> American's than I was led to believe; and that they were just repressed and 
> not talking.   But I'm learning that a large number of people actually 
> subscribe to this nonsense that I thought I only heard on the television.
> 
It's good to see an american seeing the truth.

> People continually make me lose faith in mankind and our country.  It's not 
> just sex, it's everything.  (I had some examples, but deleted them because 
> they were stupid.)   People will spend 5000$ on a television, but won't 
> spend 10$ extra a month to support wind power.
> 
It's certainly getting to the stage where people are so hung up on 
material things. Let me remind everyone that the person who dies with 
the most toys, still dies. I'd rather leave the world the better off for 
having me (ok my better will differ from others).

> I like to voice my opinions here in AGSC - people at least listen for a 
> second.   No one will listen in person.   So I just shutup - and see how it 
> could be really easy to succumb to mob mentality.   I did it once - 
> pretended I didn't like someone because they were unpopular - back in junior 
> high.  (I have subsequently felt bad about that.)  By the time high school 
> came around, the unpopular kids were usually that way for reasons I agreed 
> with, but I was nice to them so they liked me and clung to me annoyingly. 
> It was a social impairment that I found annoying, but I wouldn't have done 
> anything to hurt their feelings even if it would have made them go away.
> 
> I don't see any love of the fellow man; I don't see tolerance; I don't see 
> forgiveness only a bunch of hypocrites preaching it.  All I see is hate, 
> anger and finger pointing.
> 
Fair enough. I'd certainly say that in part it's because you live in the 
States :-p. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone in the world is a 
hypocrit. I know all christains are (I am a christian, and I guarentee 
you that I have sinned, despite all that I would encorage you not to).
--
Marsh Lion
New Zealand hypocrit