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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:36:04 +1200, Marsh Lion wrote:

> 
> "sven the unpleasant" <would...@liketoknow.com> wrote in message 
> news:pan.2004.09.01.23.28.58.748782@liketoknow.com...
>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:09:53 +1200, Marsh Lion wrote:
> 
>> I've been working a *hell* of a lot lately, and I don't take any damn days
>> off. If I can do it, I sure as hell would hope that the entity that I'm
>> supposed to put utmost faith in and worship could.
>>
> I am currently doing about 35 hours on a milk merchandising run and doing 
> around 20 hours a week programming. The milk run itself is hard physical 
> work (easpecially if things go wrong (as some did today)) and takes a lot 
> out of me. While I believe I could do more than 55 hours of computer 
> programming, I would be able to reach breaking point (easpecially if it is 
> working long periods without a day off). You state you have been working a 
> lot recently, but have you had days off recently?

Yeah, I had a Sunday off about two weeks ago. Point? I'm still working 7
days a week...well, except next week, I guess. I have another Sunday off,
woohoo!

>> Not a big fan of statistics, are you? What people see as miracles,
>> coincidences, divine intervention, etc. are just extremely unlikely
>> events that managed to happen. "What are the chances of that happening?
>> A billion to one? Must've been a miracle." No.
>>
> Ever heard of a printing press exploding and creating a dictionary
> (that's the odds of everything comming about as described by the big
> bang theory)?

You know 80% of statistics are made up on the spot? And just because it is
unlikely doesn't mean it can't happen. You know that some lady won the
lottery twice? Some people thought it was a miracle, but I was reading
some book that statistically explained it. I can't really remember how it
was explained, and I definitely don't want to search for it.

> While I agree that unlikely events do happen, when you
> believe in a supreme being (AKA a God) you certainly believe that some
> things were designed to happen.

That's the whole point of God(s). To explain unexplainable natural
phenomenon and to make you feel good about dying and going to heaven. Of
course, just because you don't know why or how something, unlikely or not,
came to be or happened, doesn't mean that God made it so. I don't know how
cars work, but I know it's not powered by angel harps or something as
equally asinine.
 
>>>> According to that Charlton Heston movie, God's writing seems pretty
>>>> damn easy to read.
>>>
>>> I can't say I know what you are talking about here
>>
>> Charlton Heston starred in a movie, The Ten Commandments, which showed
>> the happenings of the Biblical story of the same name(?). In the movie,
>> God carves the tablets of stone with the ten commandments on it, which
>> Moses (Heston) holds above the people. Moses, and, if I remember
>> correctly, the people, could all easily read God's writing.
>>
> Although movies can be based on fact, they are still a persons
> interpretation on what happened.

Kind of like the Bible, huh?

>>> Fiction?
>>
>> Proposition questioning whether the Bible is fiction. If it is not
>> fiction, it must be fact, as that is it's opposite. Therefore, you are
>> putting forth the notion that it is fact.
>>
> As I believe it is (even if it is like other history books)

The Bible is *not* like other history books.
 
>>> The bible is a historical book stating what people believe happened
>>
>> What people "believe happened" is not what happened. Believe implies
>> uncertainty, which does not lend itself well to fact. This is a
>> contradiction of your previous statement which says that the Bible is
>> fact.
>>
> All history books are what people "believe happened",

To an extent.

> at bare minimum,
> this is what the bible is.

No. There are not different accounts of the stories (and that's what they
are, stories) in the Bible. There's just the one set. There's no other
view points, no other perspectives, nothing. It's a story book.
 
>>> much like books that say we landed on the moon.
>>
>> I didn't notice any photography of Moses or home video of Jesus
>> surfacing about. If you have, please point me in the direction as I
>> would be quite interested.
>>
> Show me any evidence that there were camera's about at that time.

That wasn't my point.

> The
> conspiracy theory for the moon landing state that area 51 held the set
> for the shoot (afterall, they don't use the real inside of the
> whitehouse for movies)

Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure you could snag a powerful telescope and
see the flag on the moon, proving that we went there.

>>> Most of the
>>> world will say that America did land on the moon, however there is
>>> some evidence that states that they did not (I am not completely
>>> convinced either way).
>>
>> You have your analogy reversed there, pal. There's evidence *against*
>> the Bible, while there is very, *very* little evidence *for* the Bible.
>> Notice how the Bible says that the world's a few thousand years old,
>> yet carbon dating proves it's not?
> 
> Carbon dating is not very reliable as the Scientists lead people to
> believe (as stated by my old non-Christian Chemistry teacher). It is
> based on the half life of carbon 14 which suposably has the same
> concentration in the air now as there was thosands of years ago. The
> truth is that this is not the case.

http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Carbon_dating_gives_inaccurate_results
 
>> Or how the world, along with all of its inhabitants, were created
>> within seven days, while that is clearly not so?
> 
> See bottom as you don't want to hear about the interpretation "crap"
> that mentions "Each day represents a thousand years!".
> 
>> Or how the dimensions of heaven, given in the Bible, could not possibly
>> fit the amount of people that have died since the Bible was written?
> 
> Please state the dimensions of heaven and where I can find them in the
> bible (in the 4 translations that I searched on bible.gospelcom.net it
> did not find "dimensions" and "heaven" in the same verse. Unless the
> bible states them, I do not believe that heaven has fixed dimensions
> (and who says that we in our current body style in heaven - the body we
> are in gets left on earth, just like the rest of our belongings).

I would try to Google this up, but something just came up and I don't have
the time now. I'll get back to you on this.
 
>> Perhaps because the writers of the Bible (read: anyone but "God")
>> didn't have the foresight to think of a very different future that an
>> omnipotent deity would most likely possess? And please, spare me that
>> whole load of interpretation crap. "Each day represents a thousand
>> years!" If you want to bend the Bible to fit your point of view, I can
>> bend it to fit an equally disgusting point of view. I believe I should
>> kill my brother, marry his wife, and smite any masturbators I should
>> come across. I'd make a killer Christian.
> 
> You cannot disprove that a supreme being (AKA God) did not create the
> world as he may have formed it in such a mannor (maby even using the big
> bang) so to fool the simple beings (aka humans) that have been placed on
> it to believe whatever God wished them to.

The problem is, you can't *prove* that a supreme being created the
universe either.