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Article #15269Re: OT: Americans against gun control... This is why..
From: Jon Wiest
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:00
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:00
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That is sick. America is the freest most prosperous nation in the world,
and here's some lamer bitching about not being "free"? Like what? Free to
kill blacks? Free to spew on Jews? Obviously the lamer did something
ignorant, and doesn't have a grip on reality. Does anyone believe the feds
will just pick people at random and harrass them? Who the hell has time for
that?
I'd like to brand this guy with a big fat "L" in the middle of his forehead.
Jon
Frank_Rizzo wrote in message ...
>
>H๏ฟฝvard K. Moen <hkm...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>news:378ba758.1118690@news.online.no...
>> On Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:18:02 -0400, "Frank_Rizzo"
>> <riz...@FARTalltel.net.net> wrote:
>>
>> > This is a perfect example of why we dislike gun control here in the
USA.
>> > http://www.georgiamountain.com/rweaver.htm
>>
>> "in August 1992 U.S. Marshals and FBI snipers killed his dog, only son
>> Sammy and wife Vickie while she held their 10 month old child."
>>
>> What exactly was Randy supposed to have done, when they were _sniped_?
>>
>> This has got nothing to do with gun control. A criminal cowboy-wannabe
>> (have a look at his pic!) gets parts of his family killed by the FBI
>> and now blames the fact that he had no gun?
>
>Where did he blame it on not having a gun? It's not about guns... Gun
>control isn't about getting guns out of our hands so we don't hurt each
>other. It's about getting guns out of our hands so our government will be
>the only ones with guns, and therefore have the control. It's not about
>guns, it's about control. It's not about safety... it's about control. Read
>what Gary Spence (Randys lawyer) wrote to a friend of his:
>
>
>"In this country we embrace the myth that we are still a democracy when we
>know that we are not a democracy, that we are not free, that the government
>does not serve us but subjugates us. Although we give lip service to the
>notion of freedom, we know the government is no longer the servant of the
>people but, at last has become the people's master. We have stood by like
>timid sheep while the wolf killed, first the weak, then the strays, then
>those on the outer edges of the flock, until at last the entire flock
>belonged to the wolf. We did not care about the weak or about the strays.
>they were not a part of the flock. We did not care about those on the outer
>edges. They had chosen to be there. But as the wolf worked its way towards
>the center of the flock we discovered that we were now on the outer edges.
>Now we must look the wolf squarely in the eye. That we did not do so when
>the first of us was ripped and torn and eaten was the first wrong. It was
>our wrong.
>
>That none of us felt responsible for having lost our freedom has been a
>part of an insidious progression. In the beginning the attention of the
>flock was directed not to the marauding wolf but to our own deviant members
>within the flock. We rejoiced as the wolf destroyed them for they were our
>enemies. We were told that the weak lay under the rocks while we faced the
>blizzards to rustle our food, and we did not care when the wolf took them.
>We argued that they deserved it. When one of our flock faced the wolf alone
>it was always eaten. Each of us was afraid of the wolf, but as a flock we
>were not afraid. Indeed the wolf cleansed the herd by destroying the weak
>and dismembering the aberrant element within. As time went by, strangely,
>the herd felt more secure under the rule of the wolf. It believed that by
>belonging to this wolf it would remain safe from all the other wolves. But
>we were eaten just the same.
>
>No one knows better than children of the Holocaust how the lessons of
>history must never be forgotten. Yet Americans, whose battle cry was once,
>"Give me liberty or give me death", have sat placidly by as a new king was
>crowned. In America a new king was crowned by the shrug of our shoulders
>when our neighbors were wrongfully seized. A new king was crowned when we
>capitulated to a regime that is no longer sensitive to people, but to non
>people--to corporations, to money and to power. The new king was crowned
>when we turned our heads as the new king was crowned as we turned our heads
>as the poor and the forgotten and the damned were rendered mute and
>defenseless, not because they were evil but because, in the scheme of our
>lives, they seemed unimportant, not because they were essentially dangerous
>but because they were essentially powerless. The new king was crowned when
>we cheered the government on as it prosecuted the progeny of our ghettos
>and filled our prisons with black men whose first crime was that they were
>born in the ghettos. We cheered the new king on as it diluted our right to
>be secure in our homes against unlawful searches and to be secure in the
>courts against unlawful evidence. We cheered the new king on because we
>were told that our sacred rights were but "loopholes" but which our
>enemies: the murderers and rapists and thieves and drug dealers, escaped.
>We were told that those who fought for our rights, the lawyers, were worse
>than the thieves who stole from us in the night, that our juries were
>irresponsible and ignorant and ought not to be trusted. We watched with
>barely more than a mumble as the legal system that once protected us became
>populated with judges who were appointed by the new king. At last the new
>king was crowned when we forgot the lessons of history, that:when the
>rights of our enemies have been wrested from them, we have lost our own
>rights as well, for the same rights serve both citizen and criminal."
>
>
>You see, having the right to bear arms is one of our constitutional
>*RIGHTS*. The more we give up our rights, the more we hand control over to
>others. It's not about guns... It's about control of our own lives.
>
>
>
>--
>FrankRizzo{OT}
>http://www.offtopic.com
>
>"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government
>from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of
>them."
>-- Thomas Jefferson
>
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