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My PII Dell 266 is a smoking system.  I'm sure Gateway is pretty comparable
.  I have my Screamin 3D card installed with a Zoom 56K Flex modem and
everythings working perfect.  Now if the 56k USR  x2 modem that came with
the system worked with my ISPs system I'd be even happier....

Bill
Thomas E. Retkowski wrote in message <343FC4F0...@pitnet.net>...
>I am looking at buying a new system in the next week or so, and I was
>wonders what people thought of Gateway Computers?  I would like to hear
>from anyone that has gotten a PII 266 or higher.
>
>How compatable are they when you add video cards, etc.  How many open
>slots to they have?  Are the SCSI or EIDE?
>
>Thanks
>
>

I have had a Gateway P2-266 for several months now and have had ZERO
problems.  Running N2 was one of my first actions and it was nearly
flawless!  What a change from the 486-66 I had been running.  Max out the
graphics and let 'er fly!!

No problems with add-ins either.  I have four open slots.
Ross Cavitt

Thomas E. Retkowski wrote in message <343FC4F0...@pitnet.net>...
>I am looking at buying a new system in the next week or so, and I was
>wonders what people thought of Gateway Computers?  I would like to hear
>from anyone that has gotten a PII 266 or higher.
>
>How compatable are they when you add video cards, etc.  How many open
>slots to they have?  Are the SCSI or EIDE?
>
>Thanks
>
>

Thomas E. Retkowski wrote:
> 
> I am looking at buying a new system in the next week or so, and I was
> wonders what people thought of Gateway Computers?  I would like to hear
> from anyone that has gotten a PII 266 or higher.
> 
> How compatable are they when you add video cards, etc.  How many open
> slots to they have?  Are the SCSI or EIDE?
> 
> Thanks
Tom,
	Gateway's are a super system for the average Joe, that said, stay away
from them. They use proprietary componants and industry standard parts
cannot always be used. I tend to groan everytime I open one up for a
client. If you are committed to mail order I would look and compare
prices of Dell and Micron. All standard parts and a reputaion for
building good machines. I built my own P2 but I would own either of
their 266's in a heartbeat, no question.
	All the best, Mike Davis 
-- 
Michael S. Davis
Creative Media-Works
Computer/Audio/Video Convergance
http://www.creativemedia-works.com
"From Creative Minds spring Creative Solutions."

Mike "LongHorn" Davis wrote:

> , that said, stay away
> from them. They use proprietary componants and industry standard parts
> cannot always be used. I tend to groan everytime I open one up for a
> client. If you are committed to mail order I would look and compare
> prices of Dell and Micron. All standard parts and a reputaion for
> building good machines. I built my own P2 but I would own either of
> their 266's in a heartbeat, no question.
>         All the best, Mike Davis
> --
>

  I'm interested to hear that Dell parts are industry-standard now. They certainly
weren't 2 yrs ago when I bought my Dell 133 - the stupid motherboard is
proprietary and cant be replaced.

--
Ed Krauss
e...@shore.net

Thomas E. Retkowski wrote:
> 
> I am looking at buying a new system in the next week or so, and I was
> wonders what people thought of Gateway Computers?  I would like to hear
> from anyone that has gotten a PII 266 or higher.
> 
> How compatable are they when you add video cards, etc.  How many open
> slots to they have?  Are the SCSI or EIDE?
> 
> Thanks
Thomas E. Retkowski wrote:
> 
> I am looking at buying a new system in the next week or so, and I was
> wonders what people thought of Gateway Computers?  I would like to hear
> from anyone that has gotten a PII 266 or higher.
> 
> How compatable are they when you add video cards, etc.  How many open
> slots to they have?  Are the SCSI or EIDE?
> 
> Thanks
While I'm quite happy with MY gateway 2000, id recomend a Dell assuming
the price diff. isnt that much... when I bought my system the price
diff. between dell and gateway 2000 way SCARY! it truely made me
scared... I havent checked the market at all recently but dont spend
much extra on dell. While dells are a little better than Gateways, there
not THAT much better.  Note: ask if u cant get no vid card and go out
and buy a Pure3D the day b4 it comes...
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We have a gateway 2000 that we bought in 1994, and is the one we use
today..We are getitng a new one, but thisa computer has never crashed on
its own..always hrelp from me..
I recomend before buying one, going to www.gateway.com 
and I forgot how, but there is a way to take a basic model, put on
something, or take of something, then it computes your price, so
basicvally, you get to build a computer.  Fun, and it helps!
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Where the heck did he get the idea that Gateway 2000 uses proprietary components??
I've had 4 personal systems and over 20 company computers, all from Gateway 2000, and
they all worked fine and NO PROPRIETARY components...  unless, he's referring to PCI
being proprietary?  or maybe ISA?  howabout EISA? or SCSI? or IDE? or EIDE? or Super
VGA?  oh, maybe he means RS232 is proprietary...? or PS2?

Ralph Medbourn

Ed Krauss wrote:

> Mike "LongHorn" Davis wrote:
>
> > , that said, stay away
> > from them. They use proprietary componants and industry standard parts
> > cannot always be used. I tend to groan everytime I open one up for a
> > client. If you are committed to mail order I would look and compare
> > prices of Dell and Micron. All standard parts and a reputaion for
> > building good machines. I built my own P2 but I would own either of
> > their 266's in a heartbeat, no question.
> >         All the best, Mike Davis
> > --
> >
>
>   I'm interested to hear that Dell parts are industry-standard now. They certainly
> weren't 2 yrs ago when I bought my Dell 133 - the stupid motherboard is
> proprietary and cant be replaced.
>
> --
> Ed Krauss
> e...@shore.net

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I could understand if you were a dragon, but I don't see your UDiC
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> Out of pure interest why is this message in the ultima dragons area?
> I could understand if you were a dragon, but I don't see your UDiC
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Matt wrote:

> theodore paul jr branham wrote:
> >
> > hmmm,
> > I just recently bought a 266 with the AGP and everything. Here's the
> > problems I've had so far (In less than a month)
> >
> > 1. Sent wrong computer
> > 2. Sent Replacement, UPS wanted to get back old computer and another COD
> > 3. Correct PC had a bad video card according to tech rep
> > 4. Sent replacement videio card, wrong one
> > 5. Sent correct one, still didn't work, said, oh maybe those beeps mean
> > bad motherboard
> > 6. Sent another Computer it worked so far
> > 7. Modem failed
> > 8. upon searching for problem of modem, found had bad partition
> > 9. Had to format drive and reinstall all software and take modem from
> > computer with bad motherboard (they have not picked it up yet) and put
> > it into new one.
>
> There have been bad computers in the past. Heck, once had a customer
> call saying all his cards were in the case, not hooked up and still in
> their static-pretection packs. but the number of your problems? With
> more then one computer? Bad night on the assembly line or they just dont
> like you.
> Cant say for the above, becuase things have happened in the past at
> gateway and we've had to deal with them. But for your other points??
>
> > 10. Customer Service sent wrong return labels, (expected me to pay
> > shipping for their mistake)
>
> Only time i have ever seen a customer pay to send anything back is when
> they perm the system out of the original 30 days. And that is rare.
> Gateway allways falls to the beck and call of the customer.  and by perm
> the system I mean send it back because they dont want it.
>
> > 11. Uh, not sure yet taking it one week at a time.
>
>
> > So in my humble opinion: DON'T BUY GATEWAY,
> > oh yeah, you have to set up driver for soundcard to work in DOS
> > yourself. They never do that for some reason.
> >
>
> Set your driver to work in dos yourself?  Gateway never does this?  How
> many have you bought? How would you kow they never do this?  It is set
> in the software config portion of the assembly line and rechecked at the
> QC point.  Do computers slip by?  Yes, unfortunately they do.  But Any
> more then from the other companies? I doubt it.
>
> As with all computer companies you are going to run into bad computers
> that make it out of the factory.
>
>                                                 Matt

  Always falls to the beck and call of the customer?  Well it appears in this
post all your doing is trying to prove him wrong, rather than saying "Sorry
sir - Im terribly sorry this has befallen you, hopefully this can be worked
out, and if you have anymore problems please feel free to write/call to
"etc"."  You guys need to learn how to Shmooooooze customers more. :)

theodore paul jr branham <bra...@cis.ohio-state.edu> wrote in article
<34478F...@cis.ohio-state.edu>...
> hmmm, 
> I just recently bought a 266 with the AGP and everything. Here's the
> problems I've had so far (In less than a month)

 yada yada yada...

> So in my humble opinion: DON'T BUY GATEWAY,
> oh yeah, you have to set up driver for soundcard to work in DOS
> yourself. They never do that for some reason.
> 
> Paul

Have you checked your Bio-Rhythms?  Because you are having some seriously
bad luck.  I just bought a Gateway G6-300, my third Gateway system in seven
years.  I have never had a SINGLE problem.  My company also uses Gateways. 
We probably have several hundred in house and I have heard of very few
problems.  So, in so many words, I guess I'm saying its fine to BUY
GATEWAY.

Doug

Though I have been buying Gateways for my University and have been quite pleased
with them, I recently bought four Cybermax machines and like them better.  They
are cheaper and use excellent parts.  What's more, when I didn't like the
resolution on one of the monitors, they airshiped me a new one, and paid to ship
the old one back.  I bought four and have been very pleased.  I like the Gateway
Vivitron monitors (trinitron) better for games though, especially their 21".  By
the way, I have not found proprietary parts on the Gateways we have owned (about
15)

Mike "LongHorn" Davis wrote:

> Thomas E. Retkowski wrote:
> >
> > I am looking at buying a new system in the next week or so, and I was
> > wonders what people thought of Gateway Computers?  I would like to hear
> > from anyone that has gotten a PII 266 or higher.
> >
> > How compatable are they when you add video cards, etc.  How many open
> > slots to they have?  Are the SCSI or EIDE?
> >
> > Thanks
> Tom,
>         Gateway's are a super system for the average Joe, that said, stay away
> from them. They use proprietary componants and industry standard parts
> cannot always be used. I tend to groan everytime I open one up for a
> client. If you are committed to mail order I would look and compare
> prices of Dell and Micron. All standard parts and a reputaion for
> building good machines. I built my own P2 but I would own either of
> their 266's in a heartbeat, no question.
>         All the best, Mike Davis
> --
> Michael S. Davis
> Creative Media-Works
> Computer/Audio/Video Convergance
> http://www.creativemedia-works.com
> "From Creative Minds spring Creative Solutions."



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htheodore paul jr branham wrote:
> 
> hmmm,
> I just recently bought a 266 with the AGP and everything. Here's the
> problems I've had so far (In less than a month)
> 
> 1. Sent wrong computer
> 2. Sent Replacement, UPS wanted to get back old computer and another COD
> 3. Correct PC had a bad video card according to tech rep
> 4. Sent replacement videio card, wrong one
> 5. Sent correct one, still didn't work, said, oh maybe those beeps mean
> bad motherboard
> 6. Sent another Computer it worked so far
> 7. Modem failed
> 8. upon searching for problem of modem, found had bad partition
> 9. Had to format drive and reinstall all software and take modem from
> computer with bad motherboard (they have not picked it up yet) and put
> it into new one.
> 10. Customer Service sent wrong return labels, (expected me to pay
> shipping for their mistake)
> 11. Uh, not sure yet taking it one week at a time.
> 
> So in my humble opinion: DON'T BUY GATEWAY,
> oh yeah, you have to set up driver for soundcard to work in DOS
> yourself. They never do that for some reason.
> 
> Paul
hmmm.that's really bizzare. I bought the same system as you and mine
works great, except for a few minor problems (or rather options that I
prefer) that i changed in about five minutes worth of time.
-E

Buy a Dell.  It was a much happier experience for me.

Benton Jackson wrote in message <01bcde17$f43a3240$49b684d0@pelican>...
>Mistakes are always made, we are all human. Also, despite all of the
>burn-in, there is always infant mortality. Of course, you seem to
>have gotten more than your share here. Thats probably just bad luck.
>Be thankful that Gateway is bending over backwards trying to help.
>I have seen mailorder firms that flatly deny there is a problem,
>and would not have shipped a machine to you until they had the
>original in their hands. You would still be waiting for step 2.
>
>theodore paul jr branham <bra...@cis.ohio-state.edu> wrote in article
><34478F...@cis.ohio-state.edu>...
>> hmmm,
>> I just recently bought a 266 with the AGP and everything. Here's the
>> problems I've had so far (In less than a month)
>>
>> 1. Sent wrong computer
>> 2. Sent Replacement, UPS wanted to get back old computer and another COD
>> 3. Correct PC had a bad video card according to tech rep
>> 4. Sent replacement videio card, wrong one
>> 5. Sent correct one, still didn't work, said, oh maybe those beeps mean
>> bad motherboard
>> 6. Sent another Computer it worked so far
>> 7. Modem failed
>> 8. upon searching for problem of modem, found had bad partition
>> 9. Had to format drive and reinstall all software and take modem from
>> computer with bad motherboard (they have not picked it up yet) and put
>> it into new one.
>> 10. Customer Service sent wrong return labels, (expected me to pay
>> shipping for their mistake)
>> 11. Uh, not sure yet taking it one week at a time.
>>
>> So in my humble opinion: DON'T BUY GATEWAY,
>> oh yeah, you have to set up driver for soundcard to work in DOS
>> yourself. They never do that for some reason.
>>
>> Paul
>>