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In article <33C6DAC3...@keg.zymurgy.org>,
Roscoe A. Sincero <leg...@keg.zymurgy.org> wrote:

In another post in another thread on another Newsgroup, you made a big
deal of the fact that I hadn't responded to this message.  Today was the
first time this message showed up when I went to read this NG
(r.g.c.q.quake-c).


>
>I will call you a liar upfront now.  Then I will prove that you are a
>liar.
>
>Adam Moore wrote:
>> 
>> -=+Follow-ups set to take this thread out of git.*  On the off chance that
>> other people in other groups are following this, I left them.  Every group
>> for itself. +=-
>> 
>> In article <33BFE77D...@keg.zymurgy.org>,
>> Roscoe A. Sincero <leg...@keg.zymurgy.org> wrote:
>> >Gary wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Roscoe A. Sincero <leg...@keg.zymurgy.org> wrote:
>> >> : Gary wrote:
>> >> : >
>> >> : > Unholy <tfra...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >> : > :
>> >> : >
>> >> : > AOh, whoops... is this reallty crossposted? I am sorry if I disturbed any of
>> >> : > you Quake losers.  I was just responding to a post.  Some idiotic moron
>> >> : > should not have posted this to a gazillion newsgroups.
>> >> : > Hope he burns in /dev/null.
>> >> : >
>> >>
>> >> : Speaking of losers, it appears that you are incapable of counting the
>> >> : number of newsgroups "Unholy" posted his request in.  I believe he
>> >> : posted them in nine or ten newsgroups, all of which were Quake related
>> >> : (one of which probably don't belong--servers.)
>> 
>> Make that 2: git.talk.quake
>> 
>> This is a newsgroup for discussion of quake, at Ga Tech.  Says so in the
>> description.
>> 
>
>The description is a five letter word, "Quake".  

No, that's the last part of the name.  When I go to post a message to a
newsgroup, or subscribe to a newsgroup, my newsreader gives me a short
description of each newsgroup I am posting to or subscribing to.  For
git.talk.quake, it goes something like:

Discussion of Id's game, Quake; GT


As a further example, here follows the descriptions for all the non-alt.*
NG's this is going to:

rec.games.computer.quake.misc General discussion of Quake.
rec.games.computer.quake.playing Playing Quake and user-created levels.
rec.games.computer.quake.quake-c Modifying Quake with Quake-C.
rec.games.computer.quake.servers Setup and maintenance of servers.

That's not something special about my newsreader; the description is tied
to the newsgroup.

For those of you who
>haven't memorized the three letter abbreviations for all the educational
>institutions around the world, please do so now.  G. I. T. = Gays In
>Thongs.

Not very imaginative.

But, lets just say you ran across a git.* ng in your feed.  Most
reasonable people would wonder what the hell the heirarchy is for, and
would make some attempt to find out before posting to it.


>
>What good 'ol Adam Moore is trying to do is to make you believe that the
>description of git.talk.quake reads "Quake Discussion for Georgia Tech
>students only" or something similar.  

Yes, something very similar.

>Nothing can be further from the
>truth.  

except for the small, inconvinient fact that what I wrote was, and
continues to be, the truth.

>So in a word, Moore is a liar.    There is no mention that git.*
>is for Georgia Tech students only.   

see the above discussion of git.talk.quake's description.

>The git.* regional hierarchy is in
>fact an open hierarchy, not a closed one.  (I have no idea of the
>difference between open and closed.  I only mention that fact because
>its classification is no different from, let's say,
>rec.games.computer.quake.playing.  

Which continues to have nothing to do with the newsgroup's descriotion.


>In other words, how do you tell the
>difference in regards to posting restrictions between git.talk.quake and
>newsgroups for non-cheating Quakers?)

Well, most people would look at the description as I said above.  I can
see how your limited intelligence might make this difficult, but such is
life.  There's also the cardinal rule of usenet common sense:  don't post
to a newsgroup you don't read and aren't familiar with. 

Since this started with Unholy's post, let's consider it.  He posted to 9
newsgroups by your count.  Do you think he reads all 9?  I rather doubt
it; I don't read 9 newsgroups total, much less 9 related to quake.  But,
lets just assume he might.  It's seems reasonable to assume that he
doesn't read the servers group, since we both agree he shouldn't have
posted there.  I will suggest that he also doesn't/didn't read and is/was
not familiar with git.talk.quake.  If he were familiar with that group, he
would have known that it was set up for Tech students, and that his post
would therefore be unwanted.

>
>> >>
>> >> :
>> >>
>> >> git.talk.quake is the newsgroup for the geophysics dept studying
>> >> earthquakes.
>> >>  server support, and more.  Coming soon to a Quake site near you.
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> >>
>> >
>> >haha.  I get the joke so take this advice.
>> [...]
>> >
>> >Since I don't frequent your newsgroup,
>> 
>> Really, that's very interesting since later in the thread you said you've
>> been subscribed for a while.
>> 
>
>I am also subscribed to news.answers, aq.news, news.newusers.questions,
>and news.announce.newusers.  I do not frequent those newsgroups,
>either.  

so unsubscribe.

>So now I count twice 

You should sharpen up your math skills.

>in which you are trying to deceive
>people.  

I have made no attempts to decieve anyone.  I merely stated an oppinion:
that it was interesting.  I found it interesting that, depending on which
was convinient at the moment, you either didn't frequent g.t.q, or you had
been subscribed for a long time.  

>Subscribe does not mean frequent 

"Subscribed for a long time" and "don't frequent" do not necessarily
contradict each other.  But most rational people don't subscribe to
newsgroups for a long time if they don't frequent them.  I made the
mistake of assuming you were rational, and for that I appologize.

>you lying piece of shit.
>
>> >I decided to take a look to see
>> >what kind of traffic that newsgroup get.
>> >
>> >This is what I discovered.  There are a combine total of NINE posts in
>> >that newsgroup on my newserver.
>> 
>> Many of the people who frequented this group stopped playing quake so much
>> when grades suffered, or other things took more of their time.  So,
>> traffic declined.  But, every now and then someone at Tech has a question,
>> and they/we can usually get pretty decent answers here.
>> 
>> >One post was about a grappling hook,
>> >thunderbolt, etc. posted to git.talk.quake ONLY
>> 
>> My ass. I saw that same damn post in rec.games.computer.quake.quake-c.
>>
>
>I will assume that you are unfamiliar with multiposting.  

Well, don't.  Cause I am.

>Otherwise, I
>would have to conclude that you are again attempting to deceive people. 

In which case you would be mistaken, yet again.  

>The post in question only has ONE newsgroup listed in its header.

That doesn't change the fact that you said it was posted to g.t.q, only.
It was not.  It was also posted to r.g.c.q.quake-c, and who knows where
else, but probably some of the other groups you read.  On the other hand,
I'm pretty sure I've seen quite a few posts from you on r.g.c.q.quake-c.
It seems to me then that you were probably aware that the post in question
wasn't only posted to git.talk.quake.  So, who's trying to decieve who?


THe only difference between x-posting and multiposting is one takes
more work and bandwidth.  It doesn't change the fact that the post went to
more than one newsgroup.

 
>Therefore, any fool who reads git.talk.quake only 

That would be you.

>will believe that the
>post only appeared in git.talk.quake.  Are you still lost, liar?  Yet, I
>find no pointers, no FAQs, no responses at all telling anyone that
>git.talk.quake is for Georgia Tech students only.
>
>Hell, lying asshole, there are a few posts in that newsgroup that were
>made by non-Georgia Tech students.  I seem to recall one asking about
>modem-to-modem games.  Still no response, no info telling anyone that
>git.* is for Georgia Tech students only. 


Because we, the Tech students, know it.  The spammers don't read the
group, so why bother telling them.  The non-Tech student posts that aren't
spam or x-posted out the ass are rare (If I recall correctly, the
modem-to-modem post was x-posted as well.  I may be mistaken though). But,
we get tired of the spam.  Unholy's post finally set Gary off.  He
appologized later for having x-posted the flame.  Then your stupid ass
jumps in.   We are only explicitely telling you now that that group is set
up for Tech students, because there wasn't any real need to before your
sorry ass came along.

>
><unimportant material and insult against me snipped>
>
>> >"hmmm... this group doesn't get much traffic".  So I
>> >went to Dejanews to find out more about your news group.
>>                                          ^^^^
>> Wow, that's kind of sad.
>> 
>
>You people behave that you own that newsgroup.  Therefore, the use of
>the word "your" is correct.

Indeed, it is.  Unholy shouldn't have posted to our newsgroup.  What's the
problem with that?  While I'm thinking of it, neither should you.


>
>> >Well, look at what I found.  I found a couple of posts related to
>> >"stooge bot".  Tell us, do earthquakes also have stooge bots?
>> 
>> "Earthquakes?"  You shmuck.
>> 
>
>Shall we pretend that you never bothered to read my other post or shall
>I assume that this is yet another attempt at deception?  

No attempt at deception.  Rather, I felt compelled to call you a shmuck.
"If you come back, I shall taunt you a second time" or something like
that.

>I guess my
>attempt to prove that the joke was stupid went right over your head even
>after I explained why I did it.

I thought it was a reasonably good joke.  If you got it, and yes I saw
were you said you got the joke, then you shouldn't have asked about stooge
and earthquakes.  Either you are a shmuck who didn't understand the joke
as well as you thought you did.  Or your a shmuck for such a dismally
failed attempt at humor.  Either way, your a shmuck, shmuck.


>
>> >But wait
>> >there is more.  It appears that good 'ol Gary was accused of using the
>> >stooge bot.  Am I getting this right?  Judging from dejanews, there was
>> >quite of bit of flaming going on with this topic about you and stooge
>> >bots.  Now, I don't care if you used a stooge bot last Tuesday for
>> 
>> [...Some truly incredible dtective work uncovering a long deead thread
>> about Gary and bots...]
>> 
>> Wow, dragging up the past.  How relevant is any of that?  So gary used to
>> play quake?  So what.  He used to mess around with bots.  Well, he got
>> flamed hard, and everybody moved on.  What does that have to do with
>
>Apparently, all those honest people have graduated or on vacation.  The
>only people left are the dishonest folks like you and Gary.

No, most of the people who flamed him are still at Tech and still read
git.talk.quake.  It's just that we're not so focused on the past.  

Incidently, you've yet to show any dishonesty on my part.


>
>> whether or not  post begging for skins was out of place in a newsgroup
>> set-up for Tech students, by Tech's OIT, at the request of Tech students?
>> 
>
>Apparently, "integrity" is a foreign concept with you people.  Gary was
>the ONLY individual in your pathetic newsgroup that mentioned that git.*
>is for Georgia Tech students only.  

You can scroll back up to see where I addressed the matter of us ignoring
spam and x-posts, instead of educating them.

>This is AFTER he starts flaming
>people.  

It wasn't necessary until you flamed him for his appology.  He flamed
Unholy, and rightly so.  But, he hadn't intended to x-post it to all
those newsgroups.  He appologized, and you started flaming him.  That's
when it became necessary to inform your patheticly underdeveloped mind
that git.talk.quake is for Tech students.

>When I found out that Gary is a cheater, wow.  Now why should
>anyone here believe him?
>
>Shall I repeat what I said before.  Okay, I will.
>
>There are no faqs, no posts, no pointers to any information detailing
>the restriction on posting to YOUR newsgroup.  None what so ever has
>been found.  Therefore, loser, Unholy did absolutely *NOTHING* wrong in
>posting.  If you people are too fucking lazy to set up a site or post
>information detailing any restrictions, then that is your fault.  

As far as pointers, etc; ther is the group's description that I mentioned
above.  The fact that, as you say, "None what so ever has been found"
indicates a deficiency in your attempts to find it. Not an abscence.


As far as whether Unholy did anything wrong:  ignoring the group's
description for a moment, bear in mind that it's bad form to post t a
group until you are familiar with the group.  Had unholy bothered to
familiarize himself with the group and then had the consideration to give
a damn about it either way, then he would have known that that kind of
post was unwelcome.  Hell, a crossposted message that went to 9 newsgroups
where it's rather appearant that the poster isn't familiar with the
groups, is unwelcome in just about any newsgroup it'll go to.

>You
>have nobody to blame and nobody to flame but yourselves.  

Or unholy.

>Couldn't you
>figure out why I looked through DejaNews?  

'Cause you're just that pathetic??

>I wanted to see if any FAQs
>were posted.  None.  I repeat, you lying piece of shit, NO INFORMATION
>was provided.  Even the description that my news servers provides was
>not helpful.  

I can't help but believe that you're refering to the name.  The
description tells you that it is a GT newsgroup.

>Out of the blue, a flame from a cheater (Gary) was posted
>for no apparent reason.

Then perhaps you should have addressed his flame, and asked why
Unholy should not have posted to git.talk.quake, or pointed out that
many people don't realize that git.talk.quake is set up for Tech students.

Instead you flame his appology.

>

[...]
[Some stuff about an e-mail from Krug and something eelse about SOme other
guy I've never heard of, nor care about]
[...]

>
>Why are there NO FAQs posted in your newsgroups?  You people are so kind
>enough to flood news servers around the world with over 300 newsgroups

Flood?  Either one of us doesn't understand how newsgroups work (and I
don't think it's me) or this is "another attempt to decieve."  

If I'm not mistaken, Newsgroups don't "flood" news servers.  The servers
admin's decide if they wish to carry a certain group.  If they don't whish
to carry a group's feed, then it doesn't do anything to their newsserver.  


>but not a single FAQ found detailing any restrictions?  Does this FAQ
>even exist?
>Do we have to search all 300+ newsgroup to find one single FAQ file? 
>Again, I ask, does it even exist?  

OK, assuming your server carries git.*, and you're not intelligent enough
to read the descriptions of groups you are curios about, nor are you
intelligent enough to read a group for a while to figure out what's going
on (if you can subscribe to it), then, if all else has failed, you could
ask somebody what git stands for and just what the hell is up with all
these post coming from Tech students.  THat's why FAQ's are called FAQ's:
because people ask those questions.  Frequently, in fact.  


>
>
>> >
>> [sig-o-spam deleted]
>> 
>
>You should read the FAQ on spam.  That way you would know what that is. 
>Advertisement does not equal spam.  Moron.   Spam is a post that is
>posted (crossposted or multiposted) to a large number of newsgroups in a
>short period of time.  Content is irrelevant.  

And you should read my FAQ on sigs-o-spam.  In it, I define a sig-o-spam
as a sig that is incredibly long and contains an annoying advertisement
for the author's pet project.  

>
>
>- 
>later,
>legion (temporary e-mail: secon...@geocities.com)


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