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Lu...@sys532.chatlink.com wrote:
>
> KE>In article <4atl9u$1...@bristlecone.together.net>, Dave Edwards
> KE><Da...@Netron.net> wrote:
> 
> KE>-->
> KE>--> Wow,
> KE>-->   that was deep. Man, you'd better like M2. Yep, that's all a MAC owner
> KE>--> can brag about. Don't forget the MAC only holds around 8% of the softwar
> KE>--> market. In fact, several local large software oulets don't have any Mac
> KE>--> software available. When asked why they don't, all they do is laugh.
> KE>--> After all, wouldn't you invest your money into the 92% PC market?
> KE>-->
> 
> 
> KE>Sure go ahead, act like a lemming, and jump on the bandwagon along with
> KE>everyone else.... personally, I want a better computer than what the PC
> KE>market has to offer... until it does, I will stick to Macintosh, and their
> KE>clones, thank you very much. By the way, The mac has 10% of the personal
> KE>computer market, and about 25% or so of the software market. Get it right
> KE>fool. If you don't believe me, look at Byte Dec issue I think, or maybe
> KE>Jan. I can't remember.
> KE>   DO you know why there are more PCs out there? Because they used to be a
> KE>lot cheaper than equilivant Macs... that is no longer the case. Macs have
> KE>better performance and are much higher quality. Apple was rated #1 in the
> KE>world for customer satisfaction, and quality, and repair records (again
> KE>Byte Dec or Jan.) So put up or shut up.
> KE>   Why is it that everytime I say that Marathon is better than Doom,
> KE>People have to whine that that is all the Mac platform had to brag about,
> KE>and that is their comeback? ANd then they have to say that the Mac only
> KE>has such and such percent of the market share... blah blah blah... I think
> KE>someone is insecure about the size of what is between their legs huh?
> KE>   Secondly, you are comparing ALL clone companys against ONE single
> KE>company. Apple has about 10% of the personal computer market, yes that is
> KE>true... but so does IBM, Compaq, Hewlett Paackard, ETC. if you compare
> KE>company on company, you will find that Apple is in the lead. (Wall Street
> KE>Journal) Apple is #1 in computer sales right now... so now tell me what
> KE>you were saying again? I thought so! I have a question... why is it that
> KE>you can tell these FACTS to PC users until one is blue in the face, but
> KE>they still think the mac is on the way out because they only hold 10% of
> KE>the Market. Right whatever.... they only sell more than any other computer
> KE>manufacturer in the world. When the Mac clones start to do well... then
> KE>they will also start to increase market share for the Mac, and then you
> KE>will see an overall increase in Market share for the Mac PLATFORM.... then
> KE>it will be valid to compare the PC PLATFORM, with the Mac PLATFORM...
> KE>until then it is totally wrong to compare the Mac COMPANY (Apple) to the
> KE>PC INDUSTRY!
> KE>   There, I got that off my chest. By the way, I still think Marathon II
> KE>is the best game available on ANY platform right now... PERIOD! :P
> 
> 
> 
> 
> KE>Sean
> 
> KE>--
> KE>Sean Keegan                                     Colorado University
> KE>kee...@ucsub.colorado.edu                           Boulder
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> 
> 
> ummm isn't this the alt.games.quake newsgroup? If so-WHAT IS THIS MAC
> BULL$HIT?!?!?!
> 
> Get it through your head macs SUCK!!!
> 

Sean Keegan? You again!
I once had a friend in high school that kept arguing with me that
light was not affected by gravitational pull. No matter what I did, 
what I showed him, he didn't beleive me, and kept arguing that light
wasn't affected by gravity. I shoved him the results of an english
experiment that was done, and he still didn't beleive. What a moron
I must admit. It's as if his vision was covered, blurred by an unseen
force. 
In a way, I see you the same way. There are many proofs that Macs 
suck, but you still argue that Mac are good. 
For the last fucking time, do your homework, do your math, and
come to the conclusion:
 MACHINTOSH SUCKS

These are your own words:
> KE>clones, thank you very much. By the way, The mac has 10% of the personal
> KE>computer market, and about 25% or so of the software market. Get it right

10% of computer market and 25% of software market.
In 2nd grade, math, I remenber they thought us about fractions
There I learned that 75% is greater than 25% which means IBM owns
more of software than Apple.
( Besides, most of that 25% is dual platform software, made to run 
on both MAC and IBM )
And also learned 90% is greater than 10% which means IBM owns 
more of computer market than Apple.


Another point, there are 486 emulators, soft windows to run IBM 
software on MACs but absolutely nothing to run MAC software on 
IBM. If you still don't get it, that means no one wants the shitty
25% software industry that MAC has. 

My final point: MAC SUCKS.
My final advice: DO THE MATH, SMELL THE ROSES

>Sean Keegan? You again!
>I once had a friend in high school that kept arguing with me that
>light was not affected by gravitational pull. No matter what I did,
>what I showed him, he didn't beleive me, and kept arguing that light
>wasn't affected by gravity. I shoved him the results of an english
>experiment that was done, and he still didn't beleive. What a moron
>I must admit. It's as if his vision was covered, blurred by an unseen
>force.
>In a way, I see you the same way. There are many proofs that Macs
>suck, but you still argue that Mac are good.
>For the last fucking time, do your homework, do your math, and
>come to the conclusion:
>MACHINTOSH SUCKS

>These are your own words:
>> KE>clones, thank you very much. By the way, The mac has 10% of the personal
> >KE>computer market, and about 25% or so of the software market. Get it right

>10% of computer market and 25% of software market.
>In 2nd grade, math, I remenber they thought us about fractions
>here I learned that 75% is greater than 25% which means IBM owns
>more of software than Apple.

Are you that stupid?  There are more companies than just IBM! The reason that the PC has 75% is because of C-L-O-N-E-S.  IBM does no=
t make ALL PC hardware.  Do you know anything about business?

>( Besides, most of that 25% is dual platform software, made to run
>on both MAC and IBM )

Mac and PC! Not just IBM!

>And also learned 90% is greater than 10% which means IBM owns
>more of computer market than Apple.

No! Are you completely in the dark about this?  PC's are NOT IBM's.
Hundreds of companies own PC clones.  IBM does not own those companies.

>Another point, there are 486 emulators, soft windows to run IBM
>software on MACs but absolutely nothing to run MAC software on
>IBM. If you still don't get it, that means no one wants the shitty
>25% software industry that MAC has.

That's because PC users are so fucking bigoted that they wouldn't buy it.
The smart people just buy new Macintoshes.

>My final point: MAC SUCKS.
>My final advice: DO THE MATH, SMELL THE ROSES

My final advise, find out why IBM (The company you're so fond of) made a merger with Apple, and are going to put the MacOS on the ne=
w IBM's.
HAAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Bet you didn't know that.  

In <4cc0d5$1...@brickbat.mindspring.com> Jason Carter
<wca...@mindspring.com> writes: 
>
>>My final point: MAC SUCKS.
>>My final advice: DO THE MATH, SMELL THE ROSES
>
>My final advise, find out why IBM (The company you're so fond of) made
a merger with Apple, and are going to put the MacOS on the ne=
>w IBM's.
>HAAHAHAHAHAHAH!
>
>Bet you didn't know that.  
>
I played DooM on one of the high end Mac's once (like a power mac 6000
or something) It was $3,000. Basically with a 1 button
mouse(HAHAHAHAHA) and chopiness from hell a Mac may be the most user
friendly but man they suck for speed. People refuse to play Mac users
with Dos emulators on our board because we know the game will run
SSSSLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOWWWWWWW. I could give a rats ass if Mac runs quicken
faster than an IBM clone. How does it run C&C?? oh it doesnt hehehe. Ok
well how about DooM?? real shitty. And personally I wouldn't buy that
crap that IBM promotes anyways(Aptiva) that COMPUTER SUCKS. But IBM
clones rule I'll take a Dell p100 over anything Mac can give me anyday.
:)
Happy New Year
resolution #1- To wait patiently for NetMech and Quake :)
>
>
>

>>My final advise, find out why IBM (The company you're so fond of) made
>a merger with Apple, and are going to put the MacOS on the ne=
>>w IBM's.
>>HAAHAHAHAHAHAH!
>>
>>Bet you didn't know that.  

Apparently most of the industry doesn't know that either.  This
"merger" would be big news by now, wouldn't it?

The fact of the matter is this "agreement" is old news, and only means
that IBM will offer the MacOS as an _option_, not standard shipping
OS, on their PowerPC machines- which have just been flyin' out the
door.  (note: SARCASM)

dav...@interlog.com (Dave Glue) wrote:
>
> 
> >>My final advise, find out why IBM (The company you're so fond of) made
> >a merger with Apple, and are going to put the MacOS on the ne=
> >>w IBM's.
> >>HAAHAHAHAHAHAH!
> >>
> >>Bet you didn't know that.  
> 
> Apparently most of the industry doesn't know that either.  This
> "merger" would be big news by now, wouldn't it?
> 
> The fact of the matter is this "agreement" is old news, and only means
> that IBM will offer the MacOS as an _option_, not standard shipping
> OS, on their PowerPC machines- which have just been flyin' out the
> door.  (note: SARCASM)
> 

Why the fuck would anyone want to ruin their IBM (and clones) with a 
Mac OS??? That's god damn stupid!!! Most probably gonna be
an option as Glue said. (For lamers only option) 
They can't torture us (the computer professionals) with the Mac OS.

Is Windows 95 simular to Mac OS? NO! Windows 95 has an advanced button
which allows you to change the most advanced settings. Therefore 
keeping the action up to maximum.

My friend had a hard drive problem on his Mac. He knew a lot about
computers. He studies computer science. He could have fixed his 
Mac by himself, but the Mac OS is so shitty that it doesn't allow
you to go into advanced settings and options. (No matter what you
do with a Mac OS, you will allways be in the Novice level). The
computer litterrally didn't allow him to fix it. That shows how
shitty the Mac OS is.

This person most fortunately has an IBM (or clones). That's why he is
so knowledgeble in computers.

My question: Why the fuck does a Mac have only one shitty button???
IBM (and clones) have up to 3 (THREE) button mice. Minimum 2 buttons.

Final word: 
  Top 10 Uses for a Mac:
   1. Make fun of them
   2. Throw them out the window.
   3. Play pong.
   4. Use the amount of time it takes to load Doom as a timer
       for hard boiled eggs. ( 1 minute )
   5. Reduce stress by laughing at it. 
   6. Laught at it some more.
   7. See if it fits in the garbage.
   8. Watch your garbage man yell at you for putting shit in the 
     garbage.         
   9. Ruin your eyes on it's 14", $1000, round edged monitor.
   10. See if lands on it's legs... Over and over again.

In article <4cegua$6...@ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>,
mak...@ix.netcom.com(Vincent Kohlbecker ) wrote:

> I played DooM on one of the high end Mac's once (like a power mac 6000
> or something) It was $3,000. Basically with a 1 button
> mouse(HAHAHAHAHA) and chopiness from hell a Mac may be the most user
> friendly but man they suck for speed.

Well your obviously entitled to your opinion, but you're spreading some
misinformation here.  When properly configured, Doom runs quite nicely on
PowerMacs.  If used with excessive System extensions, or other software
which conflicts with Doom, then performance will suffer.  I've seen
_dramatic_ differences with merely turning off one extension.  The
manufacturer does recommend what you should use with Doom, so it's not
like it's a mystery or anything.  At least not for anyone who RTFM. . .

By the way, the 6000 series PowerMacs are the extreme low end of the PPC
Macs.  Always have been.  But even on them, Doom will run very smoothly at
low and medium resolutions, which by the way is the same as high
resolution on DOS Doom.  When set to high resolution, a 6000 series
PowerMac will probably not run too smoothly, but then the resolution will
be twice as high as the best available for DOS Doom (which means 4x as
much video data).

But none of this says anything about Quake or Marathon 2.  Why not wait to
see how Quake performs before flaming about it?  Marathon 2, on the other
hand, is available now.  On my low end PowerMac, with all options turned
on (640 x 480, 16 bit color, 4 channel stereo, ambient sounds, etc), I get
15 to 20 fps.  When I drop down to 8 bit color, then I usually get 20 to
30 fps.  Remember, 640 x 480 with 16 bit color means moving 8 times as
much video data as in DOS Doom.  And it runs pretty well. . .

Mike

-- 
Mike Zulauf
mazu...@atmos.met.utah.edu

What are you? An idiotic ass or somethin'?
By IBM, I mean IBM and IBM Clones. Everybody knows that IBM (the
company) is almost as dead as Apple. But the IBM clone computers
are what I meant by IBM. It's just so much easyer to write that
three letter word IBM instead of IBM compatibles. Get it?

Another point... Since Apple monopolizes the Mac computer technology,
they can sell it at any price they want. They can sell you shit for
$2000 and no one will be able to say shit about it. But with IBM,
they keep reducing the price to match the others. Again if you don't 
understand I meant IBM compatibles by my above referance to IBM,
you may go f^ck your own dead self up the shitty ass hole.


Advice if you have a mac: Get a fucking life.

Advice if you have an IBM: Never get a Mac
		      ^^^
If you don't understand I meant IBM compatibles by 
my above referance to IBM, you may go f^ck your own dead 
self up the shitty ass hole once again.

In <DKnv2...@news2.new-york.net>, Emre Yucel <amo...@bc.cybernex.net> writes:
>If you don't understand I meant IBM compatibles by 
>my above referance to IBM, you may go f^ck your own dead 
>self up the shitty ass hole once again.

Hmmmmm. . . No I don't think that Quake will over take Doom as far as popularity.

OH, sorry I was on subject again.  ;-)




###################
           Infoman
     Team OS/2 America
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In article <mazulauf-040...@grumpy.met.utah.edu>
           mazu...@atmos.met.utah.edu "Mike Zulauf" writes:

> In article <4cegua$6...@ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>,
> mak...@ix.netcom.com(Vincent Kohlbecker ) wrote:
> 
> Well your obviously entitled to your opinion, but you're spreading some
> misinformation here.  When properly configured, Doom runs quite nicely on
> PowerMacs.  If used with excessive System extensions, or other software
> which conflicts with Doom, then performance will suffer.  I've seen
> _dramatic_ differences with merely turning off one extension.  The
> manufacturer does recommend what you should use with Doom, so it's not
> like it's a mystery or anything.  At least not for anyone who RTFM. . .

I never thought I'd see the day when Mac users were spouting this sort of
stuff.  It makes me laugh, it really does.  Ready to make a boot disk yet
are we?  Muahahahaha :)

-- 
* TQ 1.0 * Stolen Sigs!
no .sig (I'm trying to give up)
[oli...@hchworth.demon.co.uk]

inf...@net-connect.net wrote:
>
> In <DKnv2...@news2.new-york.net>, Emre Yucel <amo...@bc.cybernex.net> writes:
> >If you don't understand I meant IBM compatibles by 
> >my above referance to IBM, you may go f^ck your own dead 
> >self up the shitty ass hole once again.
> 
> Hmmmmm. . . No I don't think that Quake will over take Doom as far as popularity.
> 
> OH, sorry I was on subject again.  ;-)
> 

What the hell you talking about. Quake not over taking doom as fas as
popularity??? That's totally bull!!! Quake will make doom look like a
MAC compared to an IBM. We gonna be asking ourselves, "how the hell
was I playing such a shitty game". And quake will sell like bread and
butter. Man, as soon as it comes out, I go get one. The supplies are 
not going to last too long. Doom is made by id. Quake is also made by 
id software. id software is a trustable company. They wouldn't make
something worse than doom. In terms of graphics AND gameplay.
Quake will be superior to all other 3d games out there.

Well, now I am on the right subject I suppose.  :)

id software rulez

In <mazulauf-040...@grumpy.met.utah.edu>
mazu...@atmos.met.utah.edu (Mike Zulauf) writes: 
>
>In article <4cegua$6...@ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>,
>mak...@ix.netcom.com(Vincent Kohlbecker ) wrote:
>
>> I played DooM on one of the high end Mac's once (like a power mac
6000
>> or something) It was $3,000. Basically with a 1 button
>> mouse(HAHAHAHAHA) and chopiness from hell a Mac may be the most user
>> friendly but man they suck for speed.
>
>Well your obviously entitled to your opinion, but you're spreading
some
>misinformation here.  When properly configured, Doom runs quite nicely
on
>PowerMacs.  If used with excessive System extensions, or other
software
>which conflicts with Doom, then performance will suffer.  I've seen
>_dramatic_ differences with merely turning off one extension.  The
>manufacturer does recommend what you should use with Doom, so it's not
>like it's a mystery or anything.  At least not for anyone who RTFM. .

In article <820805...@tsys.demon.co.uk>, to...@tsys.demon.co.uk wrote:

> In article <mazulauf-040...@grumpy.met.utah.edu>
>            mazu...@atmos.met.utah.edu "Mike Zulauf" writes:
> > 
> > Well your obviously entitled to your opinion, but you're spreading some
> > misinformation here.  When properly configured, Doom runs quite nicely on
> > PowerMacs.  If used with excessive System extensions, or other software
> > which conflicts with Doom, then performance will suffer.  I've seen
> > _dramatic_ differences with merely turning off one extension.  The
> > manufacturer does recommend what you should use with Doom, so it's not
> > like it's a mystery or anything.  At least not for anyone who RTFM. . .
> 
> I never thought I'd see the day when Mac users were spouting this sort of
> stuff.  It makes me laugh, it really does.  Ready to make a boot disk yet
> are we?  Muahahahaha :)

Hardly.  It's much easier to just turn the extensions off via Extensions
Manager (or something similar).  Doom seems to be more prone to these
performance hits than most other software (Marathon, for example, doesn't
suffer from this much at all).  I've had much worse problems with games on
PC's, where we couldn't easily figure out what had to be done.  Granted, I
haven't played any games under W95, but then most PC games are still for
DOS. . .

Mike

-- 
Mike Zulauf
mazu...@atmos.met.utah.edu

In article <mazulauf-080...@grumpy.met.utah.edu>
           mazu...@atmos.met.utah.edu "Mike Zulauf" writes:

> Hardly.  It's much easier to just turn the extensions off via Extensions
> Manager (or something similar).  Doom seems to be more prone to these
> performance hits than most other software (Marathon, for example, doesn't
> suffer from this much at all).  I've had much worse problems with games on

Doom seems to be pretty robust to me, I've had it run well on all kinds of
funny half-baked setups.  I even accidentally ran it in a DOS box (on
someone elses machine) without realizing for a while :)

Anyway, although 'Extensions Manager' may seem easier to use than trusty old
Dos Edit, I've seen so many posts about which extension clashes with which.

At least with DOS you expect this.  cha cha cha
-- 
* TQ 1.0 * 101 Cheats for Quake
38.  IDRPG
     fills your screen up with stats and gives you a 1/4 inch view window

How many DOS games run out of the Box? This is what bugs the hell out me.
I'd get a game and sit down with my son to play; after about 2 hours of
debugging the game might work...
I have to debug machines all DAY, when I get home I just want it to work.

In all honesty, the best and most reliable gaming machines will be dedicated
units, like the Play station. Hack on the PC, chill out on a game with the
Ultra64.

By the way with the release of Copeland Extension problems will all but
cease to exist. Any crashes that do occur we be self contained.


In article <821152...@tsys.demon.co.uk>, to...@tsys.demon.co.uk wrote:

> In article <mazulauf-080...@grumpy.met.utah.edu>
>            mazu...@atmos.met.utah.edu "Mike Zulauf" writes:
> 
> > Hardly.  It's much easier to just turn the extensions off via Extensions
> > Manager (or something similar).  Doom seems to be more prone to these
> > performance hits than most other software (Marathon, for example, doesn't
> > suffer from this much at all).  I've had much worse problems with games on
> 
> Doom seems to be pretty robust to me, I've had it run well on all kinds of
> funny half-baked setups.  I even accidentally ran it in a DOS box (on
> someone elses machine) without realizing for a while :)
> 
> Anyway, although 'Extensions Manager' may seem easier to use than trusty old
> Dos Edit, I've seen so many posts about which extension clashes with which.
> 
> At least with DOS you expect this.  cha cha cha
> -- 
> * TQ 1.0 * 101 Cheats for Quake
> 38.  IDRPG
>      fills your screen up with stats and gives you a 1/4 inch view window

On Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Emre Yucel wrote:

> There we go! One of many millons of people who prefer IBM (and clones)
> over that stupid piece of shit Mac.
> 
> $3000 Mac really sucks, but a $3000 IBM (and clones) would be the 
> fucking best of the best. Today, you can get a 1.5gig hd + 16Mb RAM
> with 17" monitor, and sound blaster 16, with 6x cd rom + 28.8 modem
> and many many other things. But for a Mac.... Make me laugh!!!!!!
> HA haha hahahaha. The best mac can be compared to your 386 IBM (and cl
> ones). Ha ha ha!!! Fucking funny!!! Ha ha!! Mac!! Ha ha ha!!
> HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHA!
> Can't stop playing Mac doom. Turns barrles into Macs!!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA
> An actual USE for a Mac!!! HA HA HA! Blow EM UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Final Point: MACS ARE GOD DAMN SHITTY!!!!!!!!!!!
> 

Ooh...intelligence incarnate. 

For your information, I'm running Ultimate Doom on my PMac 5200, and the
frame rates are just fine. Better, in fact, than my roommate's Pentium.
And I get high-res. 

Oh, and by the way, my 75Mhz 603 Mac, with 4x ROM drive, 1 gig hard drive,
14.4 modem, A/V capture card, 8 megs of RAM, and lots of software, cost me
just under $2200. Five months ago. The price has dropped since then. 

Learn before you post.

Steve

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