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>notbob@winternet.com (Jason Weiler) writes:
>> Brad Grace (bradx@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>> :
>> : >I feel the same ..... the demo SUCKS! And one other thing I noticed is
>> : >they seem to have stolen the Quake idea of tilting the players
>> : >perspective as he turns/rounds corners(I do like the affect).  I
>> : >wonder which progamer for Arena read quaketalk to get that idea :)
>> : >
>> : System shock had that, and I beleive Ultima underworld did also.  Id
>> : doesn't come up with all the good game ideas.
>> :
>> : brad
>>
>> Brad,
>> Agreed!  System Shock had this effect, but UW did not.  UW was only
>> 5DOF. The missing degree of freedom was roll.  Thus, it couldn't
>> tilt as you go around corners.  This is a semi-natural human movement.
>> Please spare me this "the world follows ID" garbage.
>>
>> FACT: the engine from Future Shock and Daggerfall is more technologically
>> advanced than Quake's.  (see real light-sources)
>>
>> FACT: Future Shock and Daggerfall will be out before Quake. (ie. in time
>> for Xmas)
>>
>> Deal w/ it people. ID is being beaten to market with a superior product.
>> Quake will certainly sell because it's riding the leftover Doom momentum
>> and it has thousands of ID fanatics as demonstrated in this newsgroup.
>> I hope for its sake it has more than that.
>>
>> later,
>> -JW
>>
>
>Who or what is the source of your alleged facts?  Bethesda?  Have you even witnessed the Quake
>engine in operation?
>
 
In addition, Quake is also supposed to feature true light-source
shading, according to Id (and the two previews I have seen).
There are a lot of things I like in the Daggerfall demo, but the engine
is not one of them. It is slow (and yes, I know Bethesda says that
they will fix this, but it will take a lot of fixing to get the FR
up to, say, Doom standards). Perhaps it uses light-source shading,
but it sure does not look like it does to me. The lighting seems
pretty uniform. The graphics are okay, but not that much better
than Ultima Underworld (other than the fact that they are full-
screen) and definitely not as good as games like Doom or Anvil
of Dawn (from what I have seen of it). They are not even in the
same ballpark as the screenshots I have seen for Quake.
This is not necessarily bad- Quake is an action game, and does
not have a lot of extra things eating up processor time like
Daggerfall probably does. If the gameplay is good enough, this
could be an acceptable tradeoff.
I could not make a comparison of the engines (not having seen
the Quake engine yet). I do know that Quake's graphics are MUCH
better, and I doubt that it will run as slowly or feature as
clumsy an interface as Daggerfall (using past Id products as
a basis for comparison). Based on this alone, I find the idea
that Daggerfall's engine is a "superior product" to be absurd.
Comparisons of the two games as a whole, on the other hand, is
practically pointless. The two genres are like apples and
oranges...
 
Regards,
 
Benjamin E. Sones
krf93002@uconnvm.uconn.edu