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In article <Fjoy2.1202$pE6....@server1.news.adelphia.net>, 
tabm...@geoshitties.com says...
> "Right, it's okay to kill animals and not fuck them.  We're really
> looking out for them."  Seems clear enough.

I have never said it is OK to kill animals. Therefore your point is still 
unclear.

> > > How can you say "Wrong" when it's right?
> > 
> > Because homosexuality is not a mental illness. Therefore "wrong" is the 
> > correct response while "right" is not. That is how.
> 
> It is a mental illness; therefore "right" is right and "wrong" is wrong.  

In your misguided opinion maybe. In reality not.

> > > I already went on to say later what I would do *if*.
> > You didn't.
> Then WTF do you call this:
> "I'd e-mail them a few times trying to get my name removed, and if
> none of that worked I would save the e-mails and use them as evidence
> in a lawsuit."

This was not in response to letting others do your defence. 

> > > > > If I were one of the doctors on the
> > > > > list, and I chose not to fight, then the other doctors still would
> > > > > have.
> > > > Maybe they would have all shared your cowardly approach. Then what?
> > > Again, I already said.
> > You still didn't.
> I did.

Ditto above.

> > > Because I would fight back as a last resort.  If there are other (less
> > > risky) approaches, I would take those first.
> > At last!
> This was just clarification on the answer I'd already given (and even
> told you about, twice).

I know what it was. It took you a very long time to make your conclusion. 
I was therefore ending the topic not inviting a response particularly 
an annoyed response.

> Yes, unfortunately there are several different versions of the Bible
> floating around...  nevertheless, the New Testament still makes
> references to it, and there was nothing to replace Leviticus 18:22.
> Other things were replaceable (ie. "Thou shalt kill..." is replaced
> by "Love thy enemy.")

OK. Any thoughts on "nor abusers of themselves with mankind"?

Also, many different versions of the Bible change those words which are 
unknown to match the followings of that branch of religion. I can guess 
homosexual appears quite often in yours, while in early editions of 
Catholic bibles, masterbation was in that very same place.

> Rape is not as serious a crime as murder, as far as humans are concerned.

As far as *I* am concerned rape is as serious as murder. I am pretty sure 
that rape victims also see it this way. I am human and rape victims are 
human therefore at least some humans do see them as equally serious.

> Why should it be different for animals?

Huh? I do not agree with the murder or abuse of animals in the same way I 
do not agree with the murder or abuse of humans. Where do I request a 
difference?

> > The laws that are in place I will not ask to be removed. 
> > But if there were none, I would not request them. 
> And can you apply that to homosexuality as well?
> (Meaning, if homosexuality was still jailable, would you not ask
> that law to bbe removed?)

Yes.

> > Personally, although you have taken to calling me hypocritical, this
> > is not a comparable discussion. Homosexual sex is consenting sex
> > between adults of the same sex. Bestiality is rape of an unwilling
> > animal. Show me a case with two *willing* partners and I'll happily
> > let it be. 
> 
> So much for "innocent until proven guilty".
> 
> > Besides, hypocrisy is actually postulating of a moral standard that you 
> > personally do not adhere to. Therefore by definition I am not. I 
> > understand you use of the term but as I have explained above, since the 
> > issues are sufficiently different, your use does not apply either.
> 
> The issues are the same, I guess you just don't see it though.

I have explain why I do not see them as the same.

Let's throw this back into your court. What is your opinion of the 
practice? And what biblical law covers it? Why do *you* see them as the 
same? Finally, rate them with regards each other I.e. which is worse?

> > > > The closest I ever said was that it used to be an imprisonable offence
> > > > and then the world grew up a little.
> > > 
> > > Growing up != becoming a total hypocrite
> > 
> > Your point?
> 
> My point == The "world" did not grow up when they became hypocrites & 
> legalized homosexuality without doing the same for bestiality.

I said "... grew up a little ..."! This is still a much bigger step than 
the bible has made in thousands of years. Besides, I think you are 
abusing the term hypocrite. 

To condone sex between humans is not comparable to condoning sex with 
other species. I guess you see them as the same since in your opinion 
they are both a crime against God. This is not the way to look at the 
issues. Unless of course you are going to throw in prostitution, 
adultery, murder, theft, graven images and the like into the same basket. 


Mark.