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In article <Fqxb2.1732$961....@server1.news.adelphia.net>,
  tabmok99....@damnspaz.com (]{0MBAT) wrote:

> But it's still there.  It's not being made up, there are bad things going on.

Yes there are.  There are also bad things going on everywhere.  Cars crash.
Women chop off their husband's penisses.  Breast implants pop and severely
injure the person involved.  People have sex without condoms and get AIDS.
Israelis and Palestinians are dying because each of them want the same bit of
land.

Why should you make such a big deal about drugs?  What makes drugs such a
"bad" thing which you feel the need to argue for days about, but other causes
of death and pain you don't seem to even think about?

> > > But there are still negative effects.  Someone using drugs to 'get away
from
> > > it all' *hurts* themselves;
> > It does?  How?
> By getting brain damaged or becoming addicted.

1) Brain damage doesn't "hurt" you
2) Becoming addicted doesn't "hurt" you (assuming it even happens in the first
place)

> > Not if they're driving at 200mph in their car.  You don't seem to understand
> > that people CAN BE CONSERVATIVE with drugs.  And many are.
> Most cars can't even go that fast :P

Yeah well, blah :P

> Look at the percentage of drivers
> that get killed because of cars, and now look at the percentage of drug users
> killed because of drugs.

I can't because i don't have the figures.  Do you?  If you do i'd be
interested to see them.  But i don't think there would be alot of difference.
 IF drug users had a higher percentage, i'd think that that would drop off
alot with legalization due to better education and care.

> > > > Why would someone do something for a negative reason anyway?  "I want to
> > > > do drugs because i want to feel really shit on the comedown"!?
> > > How about "I wanna do drugs cuz I'm not sposed to"?
> > But wouldn't legalization defeat that reason altogether?
> Not if there was a house or family rule against it.  It would just make
> breaking the rules easier.

Why should there be a house or family rule which overrides a national law?

> > > > > And is it really worth their life?
> > > > They obviously think so.
> > > Do you really apprve of suicide?
> > Yes.
> Well then this discussion is just going to never be resolved.  It's like the
> abortion issue.

What abortion issue?  All issues can be resolved in one of two ways -
conservative or liberal.  And humankind did not advance to the point it has
through conservatism.

> Yeah, lots of people have actually thought of killing themselves.  Some have
> attempted it, but now they're glad they weren't able to do it.

Well good for them.  The people who do succeed don't have a chance to look
back, so it doesn't matter anyway.

> > What if they don't give a shit?  "Hmm should i run for president or should i
> > have another line?  Think i'll have that line."  It's a choice they made.
> It's a choice they shouldn't be allowed to make.

That's dangerously close to a fascist comment.

> You make it sound so silly.  Maybe not "all of a sudden" but after 10 years
> or so the number of people who use drugs would shoot way up.  Then in the
> future, when people are orn into a society where drugs are fine, it would be
> higher than it would have been otherwise.

Yes.  It would.  It would also be more responsible, more commonplace, more of
a social thing than a full-on binge.

> But you said yourself how most people in America are stupid.

You have to learn to make the differentiation between tongue-in-cheek humor
and something serious.

> Of course
> Americans, being as simple minded as they are, wouldn't do so well as they do
> in Holland.

Maybe Americans being "as simple minded as they are" is a RESULT of all the
cultural taboos drilled into them?

> Yeah, but it's better for them not to take drugs at all.

Yes indeed.  It's also better for us to eat vegan diets and vitamin
supplements.  It's also better for us to wear a seatbelt, put on a condom,
wear sunscreen, use a radiation screen on our PC monitor, wear an earthing
belt when we put new SIMMs in, drive at the speed limit et cetera.  Do we do
all of this?  Some of us do.  They're called "paranoid".  Normal people are
taking risks every day and know they are, but they do it because it's easier,
more fun, and because they accept the chance that they could hurt or kill
themselves when doing so.

> > > When we're talking about life, it's a lot.
> > What, hundreds of people dying?  Hundreds of people die every day.  Hundreds
> > of thousands in fact.  So?
> So we don't need any more because of drugs.

Hundreds of thousands plus hundreds is still "hundreds of thousands".  It's
not significant.

> > Whoever said anything about ruining lives of family and friends?  If you die
> > that's your business, not the people around you's.  Unless you owe them
money
> > or something.
> Maybe you didn't know this, but when someone dies their family and friends are
> very sad.  They even have funerals to honour their life, and show their
> sadness.

Yes, and that's their choice.  They don't need to feel sad.  They could say
"well good fucking riddance".  Or they could say "damnit now i don't have
anyone to take the garbage out".  But they choose to be sad.  That is a
perfectly valid choice, and i'm sure i would be (for some time at least) if
someone i knew died, but that's not the fault of the die-ee.  They made their
choice now you make yours.

(And yes i have had people die who were fairly close to me in the past...  My
grandmother, and a person who i emailed regularly drowned.  I was sad for a
few days, that was it.	There's no need to go overboard.  No pun intended.)

> You *need* control and police.  If there were no government, there would be a
> constant state of anarchy.  No laws, no fun, no computers, nothing.  Everyone
> is better off with the police and government, except for killers and the like.
>

We don't *need* it.  We need it at the moment because there are killers and
the like.  When there aren't any, we won't need it.  We need to build toward
that. I'm sure there will always be some criminals, and hence we will always
need some kind of police force, but at the moment it's just ridiculous.

And that's another thing.  Legalize drugs, and you free up SOOOOOO much
police time which they can now spend catching REAL criminals like murderers
and rapists and so on.

Alex
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