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Op 16-1-2010 20:58, ervaqre schreef:
>>> I then installed Firefox to try it with the Moonlight plugin, which
>>> works. But then you have the same as when you use the Silverlight
>>> plugin for Firefox in Windows. Fail to see the advantages it has over
>>> Flash though. And it uses a lot of memory. Why does MS not just
>>> support the<video>   thing in HTML5 for their future browsers?
>>
>> My conclusion: no Silverlight crap on my PC for now. And probably not ever even.
>
> Well, can't you just watch all of that stuff on Dutch television?

I don't think so. Certainly not 24/7. If there's nothing on 1, 2 or 3, I'd like 
to see what's on the dozen or so online channels. It's true they do a lot of 
reruns, but sometimes I'd rather watch that some of the lame new stuff. Now you 
could watch them via digital cable, but that means paying extra. For content 
I've already payed for with taxes *and* is free online (sadly that requires 
Silverlight in most cases). Paying twice just rubs me the wrong way.

>>> I think what they mean is that you can play it with the Windows Media
>>> or Quicktime plugins. If, without using Moonlight or Firefox, I click
>>> on one of the channels and go to Instellingen, I can choose from those
>>> two players. It then goes on stating that I don't have those plugins
>>> however. If I look in the source code of the page I don't see a direct
>>> link to the video file either. But maybe it serves me a different page
>>> since I don't have any of the plugins. If you do, maybe the server
>>> will send you one? You can try it by selecting the Windows Media
>>> format, provided you have that plugin, and then search for an .asf
>>> file in the source of the page. If there is one, you should be able to
>>> copy and paste it into VLC.
>>
>> Weird. Journaal24 works straight in Firefox with the Windows Media Player link.
>> There's an asx link, http://www.omroep.nl/live/thema/nos_journaal24-bb.asx
>> Quality isn't all that great, but it works. Not every channel has a play in WMP
>> link. As a matter of fact not every link to the same channel ends up with a WMP
>> option. So far I've only located news and politics. The culture network doesn't
>> even seem to have that Silverlight stuff.
>
> What about a Real link then? Or do they not provide an option at all?

They used to have that, I think. But real was crappy anyway.

>> A lot of those cheap HTPC boxes don't have Blu Ray or equivalent quality going
>> on. As a matter of fact anything over 720p would stutter. Going with lower
>> quality would look rather silly on an expensive big screen TV. I've seen 1080p
>> upscaling media player boxes that could run stuff off any USB drive. It even had
>> LAN, bun not wireless, for around 70 - 80 euro's. Now if it did have wireless,
>> I'd know a few people who'd be interested. But lugging around drives or even
>> USB-keys with their media or a wired LAN looks like too cumbersome for most people.
>>
>> The fact that most don't play blu-ray also means they're not quite future-proof.
>> They may not have the money for expensive blu-ray now, but that may change.
>> Blu-ray discs already are getting cheaper (I've seen some for 10 euro's).
>> Besides, somewhere along the line home burned blu-ray will become as abundant as
>> DVD's. Unless it gets overtaken by USB, SD, flashcard or even cloud storage.
>
> What makes you think blu-ray will become popular though? I have never
> even seen a blu-ray disk in my entire life. These days you can get a
> HD quality movie on the internet in just a few hours.

There's plenty to be found here. I've even seen bargain bins at Aldi, Kruidvat 
and the likes. Most people understand buying a disk and putting it in something 
that basically looks like a CD or DVD player. For a low enough price, people 
will make the switch, especially if the perception is that they'll get better 
quality.

Having said that, if companies start an easy way to offer cheap HD downloadable 
or streaming content and get mind-share and market-share, Blu Ray is bust. I 
just don't see that happening yet. Blu Ray has got the jump on that market that 
still needs to be developped. I don't know of any Dutch Netflix.

>> MacOS is something I don't recommend. For one you're not supposed to make a
>> Hackintosh and buying straight from Apple is just way too expensive. Second, a
>> lot of stuff - mainly games - just don't work on Apple. It can be very
>> frustrating to find a PC game under the Christmas tree that does just what it
>> promises: it runs on a PC. Not a Mac. And then you have to explain a Apple is a
>> computer, but not a personal computer. Also a lot of school stuff has the same
>> problem. It'll work on a PC, but not an Apple.
>
> People should stop celebrating Christmas then! Or stop playing PC
> games! I believe there are Nintendo's and Xboxes for games.

You forgot Playstation. The problem lies with Apple though. They want to set 
themselves apart. Have control over a computer they consider theirs, not yours. 
A PC basically a separation between hardware, OS and software. This causes a lot 
of problems, but allows a lot more flexibility. Game consoles are even more 
closed than Apple. But then again they are much more single purpose, though 
they're becoming media/entertainment centers for the living room.

>> Oddly it is easier to explain to people that Linux, though it runs on a PC, is
>> NOT Windows compatible. Switching from Linux to Windows than from Apple to
>> Windows also seems to have a lower threshold. Which is logical. If you've spent
>> 2000 euro's on an Apple, you don't want to spend another 100 or more to put
>> Windows on it. If you buy a 300 euro Linux box, 'upgrading' to Windows doesn't
>> seem like such a disaster.
>
> Why would you want to switch to Windows from Linux? It is insanity!!!!
>
Because you just bought 100 euros worth of PC software that turns out only to 
work with Windows, which some people don't know isn't the same as Linux or PC.

-- 
Danny.