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je1...@xx.acs.appstate.edu (Jason Eudy) wrote:

>I've been told that two computers connected by ethernet cards won't run
>multiplayer games any faster than two computers connected by a null modem
>cable.  Considering the much higher data transfer rate of ethernet, I don't
>believe it, but can anyone confirm whether or not this is true (so I won't
>waste my money)?

>Sorry for the crosspost, but this is appropriate for all the groups and I
>figured this was the best way to get a response...

>--
> 
>// ================================
>// Jason Eudy
>// je1...@xx.acs.appstate.edu
>// ===============\

Well, I have an Ethernet card, and I connect directly to a person
downstairs from me all the time.  It's as crisp as playing by
yourself.  Never once experienced any lag at all.  I know that playing
over a null modem can sometimes lag, especially in places that are
very high detail, or there are a lot of weapons or spheres around and
stuff like that.  Ethernet is the way to go.

Charlie

je1...@xx.acs.appstate.edu (Jason Eudy) wrote:

>I've been told that two computers connected by ethernet cards won't run
>multiplayer games any faster than two computers connected by a null modem
>cable.  
Not true, but the difference is more visible in some games.  Quake
runs much better over ethernet than null-modem.  On the other hand,
you won't notice much a boost in duke.

It's really dependent on the needs of the game.  Some games have been
optimized for 9600, 57600 etc.

>Considering the much higher data transfer rate of ethernet, I don't
>believe it, but can anyone confirm whether or not this is true (so I won't
>waste my money)?

You can grab yourself a taiwanese ethernet card for under $30.  It's
worth it just for moving files around if you don't use it regularly
for games.

Stop by my web page if you have any further questions.

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In article <4jugo2$f...@hearst.cac.psu.edu>,
Charlie Baum <cwb...@psu.edu> wrote:
>je1...@xx.acs.appstate.edu (Jason Eudy) wrote:
>
>>I've been told that two computers connected by ethernet cards won't run
>>multiplayer games any faster than two computers connected by a null modem
>>cable.  Considering the much higher data transfer rate of ethernet, I don't
>>believe it, but can anyone confirm whether or not this is true (so I won't
>>waste my money)?
>
>>Sorry for the crosspost, but this is appropriate for all the groups and I
>>figured this was the best way to get a response...
>
>Well, I have an Ethernet card, and I connect directly to a person
>downstairs from me all the time.  It's as crisp as playing by
>yourself.  Never once experienced any lag at all.  I know that playing
>over a null modem can sometimes lag, especially in places that are
>very high detail, or there are a lot of weapons or spheres around and
>stuff like that.  Ethernet is the way to go.

  I agree with Charlie's experience; you should see Descent w/ethernet.
blows Kali away, big time.

  However, I think if the game is not designed to take advantage of
good hardware, you could end up wasting good ethernet cards on it.

  However, however, those games probably wouldn't be worth playing!

  Ethernet can be kind of considered a rich man's toy, I guess, but
damn, it's nice...

          -Ben
-- 
         --Ben Cantrick. Email to cantrick@nyx10.nyx.net--
>"Some people think of their body as a temple. I like to think of mine as an
amusement park. S'great." -Warren's Kei, via Yuri.  >"You never know how far
a frog will jump until you punch it." -Hillary Clinton, speaking on my campus.

Macky Stingray <bcan...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:
> Charlie Baum <cwb...@psu.edu> wrote:
> >je1...@xx.acs.appstate.edu (Jason Eudy) wrote:
> >
> >>I've been told that two computers connected by ethernet cards won't run
> >>multiplayer games any faster than two computers connected by a null modem
> >>cable.  Considering the much higher data transfer rate of ethernet, I don't
> >>believe it, but can anyone confirm whether or not this is true (so I won't
> >>waste my money)?
>
>   I agree with Charlie's experience; you should see Descent w/ethernet.
> blows Kali away, big time.
> 
>   However, I think if the game is not designed to take advantage of
> good hardware, you could end up wasting good ethernet cards on it.
> 
>   However, however, those games probably wouldn't be worth playing!
> 
>   Ethernet can be kind of considered a rich man's toy, I guess, but
> damn, it's nice...

Rich man's toy?  You can get a crappy ethernet card (which still blows away any 
modem on the planet) for $35 or less!

GReg
--
Gregory S. Sutter    gsu...@pobox.com    http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/
   "How do I read this file?"
   "You uudecode it."
   "I I I decode it?"

For some weird reason, Julian <gsu...@pobox.com> was possessed to write
>Rich man's toy?  You can get a crappy ethernet card (which still blows away any 
>modem on the planet) for $35 or less!
>
And you also need another PC.
--
Adam Williamson, D1M - ad...@scss.demon.co.uk
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/The_Williamsons/
Doom2: The Tyranny Levels, Insertion, Memento Mori 2

I have a ethernet (10baseT) network at home and a 14.4k modem.  The
ethernet network doesn't seem any faster than the 14.4k modem (or serial
link) for various multi-player games.  However, if you want more than
2-player capacity then you have to go with ethernet!

On 6 Apr 1996, Macky Stingray wrote:

>   Ethernet can be kind of considered a rich man's toy, I guess, but
> damn, it's nice...

Rich?  Hardly.  Cheap BNC cards run for $50 or less in all the catalogs I 
get.  Nothing for great performance (they ain't no Intel cards) but 
they're a full 10Mbps.  BNC cabling is pretty cheap too.

Last I checked, decent 28.8 modems were running $150.  Figure you can only 
use two of those per DukeMatch game (total $300), compared with about 
$60 for each of up to 8 users on a network DukeMatch...  it's obviously 
cheaper to go with the network.

Yeah... you can get your budget 28.8 modems for $100 and your El Cheapo 
14.4 modems for $40.  But they aren't anything for quality.  I made the 
mistake of buying a Prometheus 14.4 about a year ago... it sucked shit 
and kept dying on me.  I finally torched it.  Better to go with something 
that you know is good.  My Supra 28.8 PnP works wonderfully.

Enjoy,

[ Matthew A. Schnoor ]
[ sch...@cs.pdx.edu ]

Macky Stingray wrote:
> 
> In article <4jugo2$f...@hearst.cac.psu.edu>,
> Charlie Baum <cwb...@psu.edu> wrote:
> >je1...@xx.acs.appstate.edu (Jason Eudy) wrote:
> >
> >>I've been told that two computers connected by ethernet cards won't run
> >>multiplayer games any faster than two computers connected by a null modem
> >>cable.  Considering the much higher data transfer rate of ethernet, I don't
> >>believe it, but can anyone confirm whether or not this is true (so I won't
> >>waste my money)?
> >
> >>Sorry for the crosspost, but this is appropriate for all the groups and I
> >>figured this was the best way to get a response...
> >
> >Well, I have an Ethernet card, and I connect directly to a person
> >downstairs from me all the time.  It's as crisp as playing by
> >yourself.  Never once experienced any lag at all.  I know that playing
> >over a null modem can sometimes lag, especially in places that are
> >very high detail, or there are a lot of weapons or spheres around and
> >stuff like that.  Ethernet is the way to go.
> 
>   I agree with Charlie's experience; you should see Descent w/ethernet.
> blows Kali away, big time.
> 
>   However, I think if the game is not designed to take advantage of
> good hardware, you could end up wasting good ethernet cards on it.
> 
>   However, however, those games probably wouldn't be worth playing!
> 
>   Ethernet can be kind of considered a rich man's toy, I guess, but
> damn, it's nice...
> 
>           -Ben
> --
>          --Ben Cantrick. Email to cantrick@nyx10.nyx.net--
> >"Some people think of their body as a temple. I like to think of mine as an
> amusement park. S'great." -Warren's Kei, via Yuri.  >"You never know how far
> a frog will jump until you punch it." -Hillary Clinton, speaking on my campus.


Where i live there is a place called the Impact Gaming Center where they have completely 
networked computers, top of the line, 12 i think, anyways, they also have the latist 
games, with there networking hardware it is easy to appreciate the multi-player effect!
I pitty those who do not have such a place to crawl to and urge them to start or look 
into one, the place I know of is making a killing, Plus, all there computer stuff is a 
Tax write off

Because of this ability we play faster and more often then most people in the country 
and i would just like to say, we truly have a league of our own, if you are ever in IL 
come in and stop by for a quick ass-wupin

That's all for now,  Mojo

" As his withered body fell to the ground, 'Eat This!' was all that could be heard "  
-Me

On 6 Apr 1996 18:52:24 -0700, bcan...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Macky
Stingray) wrote:

>  Ethernet can be kind of considered a rich man's toy, I guess, but
>damn, it's nice...

It only cost me $20 for my network combo card and it runs very well...
In fact 2 friends bought them at the sametime and it only cost a few
bucks to get the cables and terminators... I agree it's well worth it
if you have some computers near each other. Blows away null modem and
modem connections... Plus there is a cool program that you can use to
transfer files back and forth to all the computers; real simply to use
and only requires the standard generic network drivers, works in
DOS.... We transferred all our Doom wads and stuff in under a minute
and we're talking LOTS of bytes here... Faster than transferring with
floppies and makes modem transfers a joke. I think it was transferring
the data at roughly 300k a second or something; not bad, eh?




Paul - C...@TERMINUS.COM

"The inherent problem with this technology is that a single
 pair of eyes focuses on a single screen, and by some electronic
 extension, you are connected to somebody else--but it's in the
 abstract. The danger is that we become enamored with the 
 abstract and forget that life is really touchy-feely."
 -- William Shatner
 

For some weird reason, "Matthew A. Schnoor" <sch...@cs.pdx.edu> was
possessed to write
>
>On 6 Apr 1996, Macky Stingray wrote:
>
>>   Ethernet can be kind of considered a rich man's toy, I guess, but
>> damn, it's nice...
>
>Rich?  Hardly.  Cheap BNC cards run for $50 or less in all the catalogs I 
>get.  Nothing for great performance (they ain't no Intel cards) but 
>they're a full 10Mbps.  BNC cabling is pretty cheap too.
>
Yep, and, you then need two of them, and another computer to put the
other in. You can't _really_ play much of a network game with one
computer.
--
Adam Williamson, D1M - ad...@scss.demon.co.uk
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/The_Williamsons/
P120/16megEDO/2megDRAMGFX/15inch/4xCD/1.2gigHD/NE2000compat/NT 3.51
/NT 4.0 beta/Win95/Win3.11/DOS 6.22/Doom2 1.9/DCK 3.3

In Article<sObL4LB0...@scss.demon.co.uk>, <Ad...@scss.demon.co.uk> writes:
 
> For some weird reason, "Matthew A. Schnoor" <sch...@cs.pdx.edu> was
> possessed to write
> >
> >On 6 Apr 1996, Macky Stingray wrote:
> >
> >>   Ethernet can be kind of considered a rich man's toy, I guess, but
> >> damn, it's nice...
> >
> >Rich?  Hardly.  Cheap BNC cards run for $50 or less in all the catalogs I 
> >get.  Nothing for great performance (they ain't no Intel cards) but 
> >they're a full 10Mbps.  BNC cabling is pretty cheap too.
> >
> Yep, and, you then need two of them, and another computer to put the
> other in. You can't _really_ play much of a network game with one
> computer.

	Well, yes... but if you have friends who want to play H2H, generally
	they have a computer. 

	Two of my friends own systems of comparable power, and each has
	purchased their own network card. Somewhere we scrounged some
	cable and terminators, and on Friday nights (much to our SO's 
	dismay) we meet at one of our houses, hauling around our whole
	systems. 
	
	We then spend about an hour setting things up (and drinking
	beer!), and then play 'till 3AM or so.... great fun! We've been doing
	this since Falcon 3.0 came out, and we recruited another for a 4some
	when DOOM appeared. Duke will breath new life into the weekly 'death'
	session once again!! :)
	
	Point is, we didn't spend more than $60 or so per person for this 
	much fun. We got the network drivers from work, and one of us just
	had the cables lieing around. True, you might have to buy some 
	cables, but if each person get's thier own, it still only adds
	about $10 to the cost. That, and the hassle of lugging around desktop
	systems, with all the speakers, mice, joysticks, etc. every Friday!! 
	
	:)

	-Matt