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"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Is that why Intel delayed the 4ghz Pentium 4 until next year?
>
> I don't think it's a P4.

Finally you're correct, it's actually a P5 but Intel is too embarrassed to
call it that when their P4EE (emergency edition) runs faster.

> >> And it bothers me that the 64 bit processor is outperforming the 32
> >> bit processor by only 18%.  Even with running under a 32bit
> >> opsystem, I'd think that the AMD 64 should be performing some 30 to
> >> 40% faster.
> >
> > Why? Running 64 bit software vs 32 bit software it might be 30-40%
> > faster,
> > or even more than that. Running in 32 bit mode with a 32 bit OS, one
> > shouldn't expect huge differences, however an 18%(where did you get
> > that number?) decrease in run time might mean a chip that is worth 5x
> > the slower one or more.
>
> Anandtechs Doom3 CPU comparisons.

You should read Anandtech more carefully.

> >> My own chip is a 3.0E Prescott 800 fsb.  I saw the scores.  Mine is
> >> dead in the middle of everything.  That seemed reasonable for a $184
> >> chip.
> >
> > Is it, when a competator's $160 chip performs much better in most
> > application , and has the ability to run 64 bit software thrown in as
> > a free bonus? BTW, how did you get it for $184? www.pricewatch.com
> > has the lowest price listed as $205.

Who cares what the Prescott is selling for, it was an unmitigated disaster
prompting Intel to abandon their numbering scheme that was tied to MHz and
go with the newer BMW type classification. Intel has no fewer than 4
versions of P4. Confusion anyone?

> Pricewatch apparently doesn't 'do' Houston, Tx neighbor.
> A local shop.  'Electronics Outlet', privately owned, run by owner.  I
> buy most of my 'basic build' components there, cases, mobos, cpu's, ram.
> Vid cards, hard drives, sound cards are better bought at the chains.
> Much cheaper.
> Another local shop with a website and pricelist has the same chip today
> for quite a bit more, $269.

Your guy probably just wants them out of his inventory.

> > Are you in the PC business?
>
> Nope, not at all.  This is a hobby.  And there are a LOT of 'hobby
> shops' around Houston.
> I'm looking at all my local shops for any of the AMD 64 chips and mobos.
> Nobody is stocking them, special order, and I can promise you the mobo
> is not stocked right now, and the chip more than your $160.

That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Athlon MB's are
deep within all retail channels. All the shops in my area have them
displayed and they are readily available on the net. Check www.newegg.com
They are a premier online retailer and their prices are just about the
lowest available and their service is unmatched by any other dealer. They
have plenty of AMD 64 boards. Much of your information seems dated by about
a year. Did you happen to read a magazine article around September of last
year and still think you know what's going on?

> Here is something from todays pricelist at BestComputerUSA, a local
> privately owned 3 store business that specializes in keeping us
> hobbyists happy:
> {{these top two I paid $184 and $199 for respectively on 4th June at my
> own fave local shop (Electronics Outlet) thats much closer to me}}
> P4-478 3.0E/800fsb/1m  $269
> Athlon XP 3200+ (2.2g  400fsb) $229
> Athlon 64 bit 3000+  $249
> Athlon 64 bit 3200+  $299
> Athlon 64 bit 3400+  $479
> Athlon 64 FX53        $829
> These are all boxed retail, with cooling solution and full warranty.
> BUT, what about the motherboards for these 64 bit chips?  I've asked
> around for them, and there aren't that many yet.  Too new.  The Athlon
> 64 itself is in lots of shops.  Not a single one is under $200 anywhere
> in Houston.  The lowest priced mobo for the AMD64 is an Asus and is
> $179.
>
> Care for a link?
> http://www.bestcomputerusa.com/

I'll give you a link that again. www.newegg.com

There are 40 boards available in socket 754, starting at 64.00. They could
be at your house tomorrow.

2 of the Socket 939 are in stock, starting at 119.85 and could be at your
house tomorrow.

Newegg prices on OEM CPU's

Athlon 64 bit 2800+ 148.00
Athlon 64 bit 3000+ 167.00
Athlon 64 bit 3200+ 208.00
Athlon 64 bit 3400+  289.00
Athlon 64 FX53         819.00

What's all this noise about again???



> >> The same day, I bought a Athlon 3200+, for $199.
> >> So who is selling the top AMD processors for $160?
> >
> > $160 is for the Athlon 64 3000+. The 3200+ is around $210.
>
> Still looking for who's selling them for those prices.

www.newegg.com cowboy.