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Zombie Elvis wrote:
> He's already maxed Charge and now I'm faced with a dilemma, what aura
> should he use. I know that everyone says that you should use
> Fanaticism for all melee Paladins but the thing is that right now my
> Paladin does more damage using Concentration looks to do so for the
> foreseeable future. Weapon speed doesn't matter with Charge so the
> attack speed boost from Fanaticism doesn't really matter. I play
> single player, so my only partner is my Rogue merc and I don't have to
> worry about supporting party members. 
> 
> So in my mind it makes more sense to put points in Concentration than
> into Fanaticism.

Concentration has a slightly higher damage bonus, but only to begin 
with. Fanatacism catches up and at level 6 and starts to surpass it Its 
only real advantage is that you can start building it earlier so it 
seems higher than it is by the time you get Fanatacism.

                  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  15  20
Concentration   60  75  90 105 120 135 150 165 180 195 270 345
Fanatacism      50  67  84 101 118 135 152 169 186 203 288 373

But if you never have any plans to use that character in multiplayer and 
have already invested several levels in Concentration, I suppose you 
might as well stick with that.

-- 
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They
  never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our
  people, and neither do we." - George W. Bush [August 5th, 2004]

"Zombie Elvis" <DELETEMETOREPLYrobertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote in 
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> He's already maxed Charge and now I'm faced with a dilemma, what aura
> should he use. I know that everyone says that you should use
> Fanaticism for all melee Paladins but the thing is that right now my
> Paladin does more damage using Concentration

Maxed fana adds more than maxed conc. It also adds AR. It is also useful for 
times when you won't be able to charge and will be forced to use a secondary 
attack. There's really no contest here, fana is better in basically every 
way. 

"Gumby" <gumbyjd@eastlink.spammersmustdie.ca> wrote in message 
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> Zombie Elvis wrote:
>> He's already maxed Charge and now I'm faced with a dilemma, what aura
>> should he use. I know that everyone says that you should use
>> Fanaticism for all melee Paladins but the thing is that right now my
>> Paladin does more damage using Concentration looks to do so for the
>> foreseeable future. Weapon speed doesn't matter with Charge so the
>> attack speed boost from Fanaticism doesn't really matter. I play
>> single player, so my only partner is my Rogue merc and I don't have to
>> worry about supporting party members. So in my mind it makes more sense 
>> to put points in Concentration than
>> into Fanaticism.
>
> Concentration has a slightly higher damage bonus, but only to begin with. 
> Fanatacism catches up and at level 6 and starts to surpass it Its only 
> real advantage is that you can start building it earlier so it seems 
> higher than it is by the time you get Fanatacism.
>
>                  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  15  20
> Concentration   60  75  90 105 120 135 150 165 180 195 270 345
> Fanatacism      50  67  84 101 118 135 152 169 186 203 288 373
>
> But if you never have any plans to use that character in multiplayer and 
> have already invested several levels in Concentration, I suppose you might 
> as well stick with that.

You forgot one MASSIVE difference. Concentration adds ONLY to damage. 
Fanaticism adds to attack rating.

Mickey 

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:13:08 -0400, "Mickey"
<XXmickeybXX@XXcomcastXX.net> wrote:

>"Gumby" <gumbyjd@eastlink.spammersmustdie.ca> wrote in message 
>news:uNmWh.12998$VF5.7634@edtnps82...

>> Concentration has a slightly higher damage bonus, but only to begin with. 
>> Fanatacism catches up and at level 6 and starts to surpass it Its only 
>> real advantage is that you can start building it earlier so it seems 
>> higher than it is by the time you get Fanatacism.
>>
>>                  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  15  20
>> Concentration   60  75  90 105 120 135 150 165 180 195 270 345
>> Fanatacism      50  67  84 101 118 135 152 169 186 203 288 373
>>
>> But if you never have any plans to use that character in multiplayer and 
>> have already invested several levels in Concentration, I suppose you might 
>> as well stick with that.
>
>You forgot one MASSIVE difference. Concentration adds ONLY to damage. 
>Fanaticism adds to attack rating.

But does that really make a huge difference with Charge? Charge
already boosts your attack rating all by itself and its main advantage
for me is that it is a ranged skill which does a lot of damage. I only
have one point each in both Concentration and Fanaticism so I could go
either way and I'm curious about the pros and cons of each skill.
--
"Fate is like a caged gorilla. If you mock it, it 
will pelt you with dung."
        -- Warriv

Roberto Castillo
robertocastillo@ameritech.net
http://www.freewebs.com/robertocastillo/

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:20:48 -0500, "Shiflet" <rshiflet@charter.net>
wrote:

>
>"Zombie Elvis" <DELETEMETOREPLYrobertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote in 
>message news:jcdj2399gbbnmfb31u6ddmtnpfdc0edak7@4ax.com...
>
>> He's already maxed Charge and now I'm faced with a dilemma, what aura
>> should he use. I know that everyone says that you should use
>> Fanaticism for all melee Paladins but the thing is that right now my
>> Paladin does more damage using Concentration
>
>Maxed fana adds more than maxed conc. It also adds AR. It is also useful for 
>times when you won't be able to charge and will be forced to use a secondary 
>attack. There's really no contest here, fana is better in basically every 
>way. 
>
At the moment I'm using Zeal with Holy Freeze as my secondary attack.
My secondary weapon is the Hellplague Longsword which has dual leech
and it works very well. I also use the Umbral Disk as my shield during
secondary attacks (my primarily weapon is a Merciless Pike with no
shield for Charging). This setup works very well for me as the Umbral
Disks ability to blind targets works very well with the slowing that
comes from Holy Freeze. 

This is why I'm wondering if I'll ever need Fanaticism or if it's so
good that I'll eventually want to switch over to it anyway.
--
"Fate is like a caged gorilla. If you mock it, it 
will pelt you with dung."
        -- Warriv

Roberto Castillo
robertocastillo@ameritech.net
http://www.freewebs.com/robertocastillo/

Zombie Elvis wrote:
> At the moment I'm using Zeal with Holy Freeze as my secondary attack.

   Then you'll definitely want Fanatacism.  Since you haven't put more 
than one point in each yet, there's no real reason to go with 
Concentration that I can see.

-- 
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They
  never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our
  people, and neither do we." - George W. Bush [August 5th, 2004]

"Zombie Elvis" <DELETEMETOREPLYrobertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote in 
message news:g0il23hkd1a8rrevt5fbgv3r7maje3eaei@4ax.com...
> This is why I'm wondering if I'll ever need Fanaticism or if it's so
> good that I'll eventually want to switch over to it anyway.

Fana adds more damage than conc. Enemies in hell become harder to hit. Fana 
adds AR as well. Eventually, you will encounter places where charge isn't 
viable. Fana will help you kill them faster with Zeal. Really, there's 
absolutely NO reason to use conc over Fana unless you're a hammerdin. It 
deals less damage, adds no AR, and doesn't increase attack speed...


> --
> "Fate is like a caged gorilla. If you mock it, it
> will pelt you with dung."
>        -- Warriv
>
> Roberto Castillo
> robertocastillo@ameritech.net
> http://www.freewebs.com/robertocastillo/ 

"Zombie Elvis" <DELETEMETOREPLYrobertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote in 
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> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:13:08 -0400, "Mickey"
> <XXmickeybXX@XXcomcastXX.net> wrote:
>
>>"Gumby" <gumbyjd@eastlink.spammersmustdie.ca> wrote in message
>>news:uNmWh.12998$VF5.7634@edtnps82...
>
>>> Concentration has a slightly higher damage bonus, but only to begin 
>>> with.
>>> Fanatacism catches up and at level 6 and starts to surpass it Its only
>>> real advantage is that you can start building it earlier so it seems
>>> higher than it is by the time you get Fanatacism.
>>>
>>>                  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  15  20
>>> Concentration   60  75  90 105 120 135 150 165 180 195 270 345
>>> Fanatacism      50  67  84 101 118 135 152 169 186 203 288 373
>>>
>>> But if you never have any plans to use that character in multiplayer and
>>> have already invested several levels in Concentration, I suppose you 
>>> might
>>> as well stick with that.
>>
>>You forgot one MASSIVE difference. Concentration adds ONLY to damage.
>>Fanaticism adds to attack rating.
>
> But does that really make a huge difference with Charge? Charge
> already boosts your attack rating all by itself and its main advantage
> for me is that it is a ranged skill which does a lot of damage. I only
> have one point each in both Concentration and Fanaticism so I could go
> either way and I'm curious about the pros and cons of each skill.

It sure does, especially in PvP :)

Also, Fanaticism improves the stats of party members and mercs, especially 
the attack speeds.

Mickey 

"Zombie Elvis" <DELETEMETOREPLYrobertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote in 
message news:jcdj2399gbbnmfb31u6ddmtnpfdc0edak7@4ax.com...
>
> I've always wanted to play a Paladin who specialized in Charge and
> have actually started and abandoned several Charge-adins over the
> years.

I've got a Charger, and he's a blast to play. But it's a limited character 
and I only play mine multiplayer. As a SP toon you're going to have your 
problems. PI's being the most prominent. But by all means, play the 
character while he's fun, they are a great toon.

I went with max Fanaticism on mine. There are situations when you'll have to 
Zeal, so you'll be glad for Fanat. This may be how you deal with PI's, 
Zealing with a high elemental damage weapon. So the speed boost on Fanat is 
critical. And it will also benefit your merc. I went with a Mightyman for 
mine, the damage boost let me one hit kill most monsters in medium sized 
games through A2 Hell, where he currently sits. I also am currently using an 
Insight Elder Staff as my weapon. It has a nice tight damage range so it 
gives me fairly consistent damage. And the Meditation with Prayer synergy is 
gravy.

Have fun and keep us updated on your progress.

Regards-
Mark

Bongo Fury