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On 27 Feb 1997 17:02:48 GMT, "The Brewmeister"
<Brewm...@pacbell.net> wrote:

>
>	I got the stupid patch yesterday and tried to modify my character with
>Enigma's trainer and guess what:  it doesn't work anymore!  Those jerk-offs
>who made the patch so you can't modify anymore really stink.  I am pissed
>beyond human comprehension at this.  For someone like myslef who has beaten
>the game multiple times and just wants to have fun with it now, this really
>sucks.  A plague upon those who have caused me this agony.
>-- 
>
>
>				-The Brewmeister
>

BooHoo...serves you and all the other cheats out there right!  Now,
learn to play the game from beginning to end without cheating
whatsoever.  You can't tell me that you've already played all classes
through the whole game without cheating.  Cheats cheat whenever
possible because they don't have the patience or the confidence to
follow the laid out rules and gameplay.  That's why they have to pump
themselves up and try to be better than everyone else.  It's their
only consolation.  Have Fun!!

The Brewmeister wrote:
> 
>         I got the stupid patch yesterday and tried to modify my character with
> Enigma's trainer and guess what:  it doesn't work anymore!  Those jerk-offs
> who made the patch so you can't modify anymore really stink.  I am pissed
> beyond human comprehension at this.  For someone like myslef who has beaten
> the game multiple times and just wants to have fun with it now, this really
> sucks.  A plague upon those who have caused me this agony.

Pissed cuz you took short cuts, and probably cheated, and used dupe
items?  You got what you deserved.  
-- 
Lord 13
http://www.wwnet.com/~lord13
UFOlogy/Anti-Amway/Classic Video Games/Bearded Dragon Pages

The Brewmeister wrote:
> 
>         I got the stupid patch yesterday and tried to modify my character with
> Enigma's trainer and guess what:  it doesn't work anymore!  Those jerk-offs
> who made the patch so you can't modify anymore really stink.  I am pissed
> beyond human comprehension at this.  For someone like myslef who has beaten
> the game multiple times and just wants to have fun with it now, this really
> sucks.  A plague upon those who have caused me this agony.


     I am REALLY, REALLY hoping that this guy was just kidding...

Gordon K Wilson wrote:
> 
> The Brewmeister wrote:
<< snip >
> > beyond human comprehension at this.  For someone like myslef who has beaten
> > the game multiple times and just wants to have fun with it now, this really
> > sucks.  A plague upon those who have caused me this agony.
> 
>      I am REALLY, REALLY hoping that this guy was just kidding...

Okay, now if this individual's purpose is merely to have fun in SINGLE PLAYER, or play 
multiplayer games with OTHER HACKED CHARACTERS ONLY...I guess I can understand this 
person's dilema.  However, the needs of many outnumbered the needs of the few.

DiabloTrainer took advantage of a security breach abused by a lot of people...a breach 
which should NOT have been there to begin with.  Granted, hacking is hacking and 
everyone should probably be allowed to hack ONLY the software they purchased and use it 
for PRIVATE (ie: playing by themselves, no selling, no copying, no bugging other people, 
etc.) purposes only.  But when they start bothering other people, this becomes a 
different issue.  This issue became big enough that the patch was DEMANDED by the 
majority of the people who just want to play, not hack.  After all, they DID have a 
right to play and not get killed repeatedly by some Lev 50 player who couldn't possibly 
die...

Don't blame the people who made the patch...blame the people who made the patch 
necessary for an honest multi-player game.


Norm ( Lev 26 Warrior...and still going )

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The Brewmeister wrote:
>         I got the stupid patch yesterday and tried to modify my character with
> Enigma's trainer and guess what:  it doesn't work anymore!  Those jerk-offs
> who made the patch so you can't modify anymore really stink.  I am pissed
> beyond human comprehension at this.  For someone like myslef who has beaten
> the game multiple times and just wants to have fun with it now, this really
> sucks.  A plague upon those who have caused me this agony.

Here's what you do.

Deinstall Diablo (control panel, add/remove programs), just remember to
save your character files.

Now, re-install from the CD.  That'll put you back to V1.0, and you can
cheat to your heart's content, in private.  You have a choice: cheat in
private, or play by the rules in public.  Believe it or not, but there
are honest people out here who welcome this.  Now I know that when I
meet folks, and trade with them on battle.net, I can be far more
confident that the stuff is legitimate.  Also, as long as I stay in
town, I'm not gonna get killed.

FWIW, Kevin Lambert's Diablo Backup still works, so I can keep my
character safe, which suits me just fine.  I can't *MODIFY* him, which
also suits me fine.  However I have a backup in case of catastrophe.

If you can't play without cheating, that's fine: there's no place for
you on battle.net in that case.  If you can't stand the heat, leave the
kitchen.  Just quit whining.
     dg  --  David Goodenough

The Brewmeister wrote:
> 
>         I got the stupid patch yesterday and tried to modify my character with
> Enigma's trainer and guess what:  it doesn't work anymore!  Those jerk-offs
> who made the patch so you can't modify anymore really stink.  I am pissed
> beyond human comprehension at this.  For someone like myslef who has beaten
> the game multiple times and just wants to have fun with it now, this really
> sucks.  A plague upon those who have caused me this agony.
> --
> 
>                                 -The Brewmeister
> 
>         "I don't dare imagine what the future will be
> without me as dictator, I'll leave the horror stories
> to Stephen King."
We need to get together and make a new one.  It seems similar the only
thing is the the memory location has been changed but i don't know if it
is random or not.

-- 
748
-==(UDIC==-
MailTo:wal...@cris.com

Dragon Lord wrote:

> We need to get together and make a new one.  It seems similar the only
> thing is the the memory location has been changed but i don't know if it
> is random or not.


     Not only is it random but it is also encrypted. Good luck.

Gordon Wilson
gkwi...@ix.netcom.com
IronWill on battle.net and KALI

Not that I don't fully support the patch, and am happy that cheating is now
next to impossible...
but the Quake cd was encrypted too .. anything is possible. (I bought quake
btw)
> > We need to get together and make a new one.  It seems similar the only
> > thing is the the memory location has been changed but i don't know if
it
> > is random or not.
> 
> 
>      Not only is it random but it is also encrypted. Good luck.
> 
> Gordon Wilson

>
>If you can't play without cheating, that's fine: there's no place for
>you on battle.net in that case.  If you can't stand the heat, leave the
>kitchen.  Just quit whining.
>     dg  --  David Goodenough
Or wait a month or so when the new cheat engines come out and do it
all again.

Nothing lasts forever...one way or the other.

DrLoVeD wrote:
> 
> >
> >If you can't play without cheating, that's fine: there's no place for
> >you on battle.net in that case.  If you can't stand the heat, leave the
> >kitchen.  Just quit whining.
> >     dg  --  David Goodenough
> Or wait a month or so when the new cheat engines come out and do it
> all again.
> 
> Nothing lasts forever...one way or the other.

I dont think they will. The patch makes it so you can hack the memory
at all, which is how enigmas worked while you were still playing. 

I know a program that still just lets you back up and restore. 
I suppose people could have duped with it if a friend was on also, but 
not now.

I just wish they had made it this way in the first place. I was
playing with friends and having a blast until my friends started duping.
It sucked then cause I did not want to cheat and ruin the challenge the
game still had. My friends duped exlirs, and soon like the best junk.
So I kinda quit playing with them since they were all like way
outclassing me and doing okay on hell diff in hell ( I am on 
my second non cheat 35 level rogue, the first one got mana raped
by shrines so I started all over. I finally have like 205 ac.. my 
all time high from armor I bought as grizzeys. I never traded for
stuff either since it is all duped, now I am glad i did not with 
this patch. I have a legitimate non duped winforce even. I have
yet to have a zodiac item since I have never seen one in the game..
playing countless times.)


Dave

If you've beaten the game multiple times maybe it's time to find another
game.  There's A LOT of people, including myself who would appreciate it. 
If the game is not any fun unless you cheat your just ruining it for other
people.


The Brewmeister <Brewm...@pacbell.net> wrote in article
<01bc24cd$6f3d1160$98db...@proxy.dialup.pacbell.net>...
> 
> 	I got the stupid patch yesterday and tried to modify my character with
> Enigma's trainer and guess what:  it doesn't work anymore!  Those
jerk-offs
> who made the patch so you can't modify anymore really stink.  I am pissed
> beyond human comprehension at this.  For someone like myslef who has
beaten
> the game multiple times and just wants to have fun with it now, this
really
> sucks.  A plague upon those who have caused me this agony.
> -- 
> 
> 
> 				-The Brewmeister
> 
> 
> 	"I don't dare imagine what the future will be 
> without me as dictator, I'll leave the horror stories 
> to Stephen King."
> 
> 

Guardian wrote:
> 
> Not that I don't fully support the patch, and am happy that cheating is now
> next to impossible...
> but the Quake cd was encrypted too .. anything is possible. (I bought quake
> btw)
> > > We need to get together and make a new one.  It seems similar the only
> > > thing is the the memory location has been changed but i don't know if
> it
> > > is random or not.
> >
> >
> >      Not only is it random but it is also encrypted. Good luck.
> >
> > Gordon Wilson
AWWWW TOO BAD someone just made a new trainer.  Sorry but the impossible
fiction is now fact. HAHAHA

-- 
748
-==(UDIC==-
MailTo:wal...@cris.com

David Goodenough <dg@real.address.in.message> wrote:

<Stuff deleted>

>FWIW, Kevin Lambert's Diablo Backup still works, so I can keep my
>character safe, which suits me just fine.  I can't *MODIFY* him, which
>also suits me fine.  However I have a backup in case of catastrophe.
I just started getting this newsgroup, and would like to know more
about this.  Could you please tell me where I can get this program,
what this "backup" program does, and if there are any pitfalls.


Andr�

Andr� Sastre <sas...@compmore.net> wrote in article
<5fdf01$7...@news.compmore.net>...
: David Goodenough <dg@real.address.in.message> wrote:
: 
: <Stuff deleted>
: 
: >FWIW, Kevin Lambert's Diablo Backup still works, so I can keep my
: >character safe, which suits me just fine.  I can't *MODIFY* him, which
: >also suits me fine.  However I have a backup in case of catastrophe.
: I just started getting this newsgroup, and would like to know more
: about this.  Could you please tell me where I can get this program,
: what this "backup" program does, and if there are any pitfalls.
: 
: 
: Andr�
: 
: 
: 
: 

--
Look in http://www.users.lith.com/~kevin/diablo for a link to his
DiabloBackup program.  It works for me, too.

Be seeing you,

Ron Courtright
http://www.best.com/~rcourt/
PGP Key ID:        4DF26355

On Mon, 03 Mar 1997 15:24:18 GMT, Spadge@in.yo.face (Spadge) wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:28:38 -0700, Gordon K Wilson
><gkwi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>Dragon Lord wrote:
>>
>>> We need to get together and make a new one.  It seems similar the only
>>> thing is the the memory location has been changed but i don't know if it
>>> is random or not.
>>
>>
>>     Not only is it random but it is also encrypted. Good luck.
>>
>>Gordon Wilson
>>gkwi...@ix.netcom.com
>>IronWill on battle.net and KALI
>
>Oh geeez.  Its only a matter of time. Random and encrypted or not.
>That only makes it more enticing for a hacker to go after. The people
>who right these "hacks" don't give a shit about the game, its the
>simple fact that the challenge has now been presented.  It won't be
>long.
   Well some hackers DO care how it affects others. But your right
about hacking for the challenge of it :)

Spadge wrote:
> 
>snip
> >
> 
> I couldn't agree with you more.  Diablo is an incredibly weak game as
> far as replayability goes.  Sorry guys, but Diablo is a mindless
> clickfest.  Everyone wonders why there was such a rampage of
> cheaters...Its because so many people blew there money on a game they
> mastered in a few days with no where else to go.  Where's the
> challenge?  The patch sucks.

Frankly, I'm not surprised you find the game a bit dull, especially
after you also posted:

>"The patch doesn't eliminate cheating for shit.  Sure no more Town Kill
>or Monsterkill (whatever the hell that is), but I took a hacked
>character onto battle.net, no problem.  He was level 42, max
>resistance to everything and the had best equipment the game has to
>offer, not to mention all spells were maxed.  So who cares?  I think
>the point of the patch was more to correct some bugs in the game than
>to deal with cheaters."

Playing with a hacked character, who has all the benefits of the game,
IS
BORING - one of the best things about the game, about ANY game, is the 
thrill of discovery and the challenge of beating the game - if you
(a) have access to all the powerful items, and therefore have nothing
to discover or learn about the game, and
(b) have an artificially superpowerful character, and therefore are
denying
yourself any challenge - 
No wonder the game seems dull to you - ANY game would under such
circumstances.
It would be like Playing War2, and having unlimited resources,
infinitely powerful
and numerous armies, or playing Quake only in God mode, it might be fun
for an hour or two, but that's about it.

Replayability - defeat the game in single player mode - using one or
more characters. Defeat the game in multiplayer, with or without other
players (but only with those who don't cheat), using all 3 characters,
in normal, nightmare and hell mode.  If you've done all that, you've
gotten 200 hours out of the game - far more than the average piece of
schlock produced these days.

Desslock