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Brad Levin wrote:
> 
> Finally...tha patch is here that eliminates cheating...for now.  No more
> Townkill...Autokill (Finger of God)...Monsterkill.  It's gone.  So is
> the Diablo Trainer.  Now the only backup program that can still be used
> is the DiabloBackup Program.
> 
> It can be found at:    www.users.lith.com/~kevin/diablo
> 
> Lets here it for Blizzard binally getting rid of those stupid cheats.
> 
> charlie


     Less than two months after the release of Diablo (Diablo was
released to manufacturing on December 27, 1996 and started appearing in
retail stores around 1/2/97) Blizzard has released the first (and
hopefully last) patch. Let's hear it for Blizzard indeed! Let them know
that there are still some people out there who believe in what they are
trying to accomplish. Anyway, I'm off to play on battle.net!

Gordon Wilson
gkwi...@ix.netcom.com
IronWill on battle.net and KALI

Gordon K Wilson <gkwi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


Congrats to Blizzard on the patch and let me be the first to eat crow
on my "vaporware" comments a couple days ago.
But one thing in this post bothers me a GREAT deal.

>     Less than two months after the release of Diablo (Diablo was
>released to manufacturing on December 27, 1996 and started appearing in
>retail stores around 1/2/97) Blizzard has released the first (and
>hopefully last) patch. Let's hear it for Blizzard indeed! Let them know
^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^

You MUST be joking Gordon.  In fact, this comment forces one to ask if
you would be willing to state, on the record, that you have NO
affiliation with Blizzard or any of its subsidiaries, and have no
relatives, friends or any other type of vested interest in the
company.

The question is necessary because it does not seem possible that a
person who was simply a dedicated gamer could make such a comment.
The comment sounds like something that would be made by somebody who
in some way was having to "pay" for the manpower being spent on
patches.

The patch is a nice QUICK AND DIRTY fix and I am thankful that
Blizzard has released it.  But that is all it is.  You just can't
create a game that is as great as Diablo and leave the glaring flaws
that are still there even after this first patch.  It would be a
crime.  

Was just playing a game on b.net with two others.  We were all at the
witch getting mana, etc. and two of us bought infra scrolls to give to
the third person.  I dropped one, and then the other person dropped
the one they just bought. Viola!  "Duplicate item detected" and one of
the scrolls vanished!!!!  Talk about throwing the baby out with the
bath water!  

Then, I found magic armor on two different levels. We were piling
everything in town as usual.  When I get the second one identified
(crystal plate of something), I go throw it in the pile, Viola!
"Duplicate item identified" and the first one, from a completely
different level of the dungeon vanishes.

Now fine, for a quick and dirty fix to a nasty problem (dupping) I'm
all for it and can live with it for awhile.  But, PLEASE, this is
hopefully NOT the last patch.

Maureen Grady <q...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<5f3k51$l...@camel4.mindspring.com>...
> Was just playing a game on b.net with two others.  We were all at the
> witch getting mana, etc. and two of us bought infra scrolls to give to
> the third person.  I dropped one, and then the other person dropped
> the one they just bought. Viola!  "Duplicate item detected" and one of
> the scrolls vanished!!!!  Talk about throwing the baby out with the
> bath water!  

This is going to be annoying.  I hoard res scrolls and dump them on the
ground if I play alone.  Looks like I won't be able to do that anymore.  It
seems rather ridiculous to eliminate one time use items.  Who has ever
heard a complaint about duplicating scrolls?  Does it do this with potions
too?

Kilgar the Mage

Maureen Grady wrote:
> >     Less than two months after the release of Diablo (Diablo was
> >released to manufacturing on December 27, 1996 and started appearing in
> >retail stores around 1/2/97) Blizzard has released the first (and
> >hopefully last) patch. Let's hear it for Blizzard indeed! Let them know
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> You MUST be joking Gordon.  In fact, this comment forces one to ask if
> you would be willing to state, on the record, that you have NO
> affiliation with Blizzard or any of its subsidiaries, and have no
> relatives, friends or any other type of vested interest in the
> company.

     No - I have no affiliation whatsoever with Blizzard Entertainment.
Neither do any of my family or friends (as far as I know). Why does my
defense of a game company lead you to believe that I work for them?

> The question is necessary because it does not seem possible that a
> person who was simply a dedicated gamer could make such a comment.
> The comment sounds like something that would be made by somebody who
> in some way was having to "pay" for the manpower being spent on
> patches.
> 
> The patch is a nice QUICK AND DIRTY fix and I am thankful that
> Blizzard has released it.  But that is all it is.  You just can't
> create a game that is as great as Diablo and leave the glaring flaws
> that are still there even after this first patch.  It would be a
> crime.
> 
> Was just playing a game on b.net with two others.  We were all at the
> witch getting mana, etc. and two of us bought infra scrolls to give to
> the third person.  I dropped one, and then the other person dropped
> the one they just bought. Viola!  "Duplicate item detected" and one of
> the scrolls vanished!!!!  Talk about throwing the baby out with the
> bath water!
> 
> Then, I found magic armor on two different levels. We were piling
> everything in town as usual.  When I get the second one identified
> (crystal plate of something), I go throw it in the pile, Viola!
> "Duplicate item identified" and the first one, from a completely
> different level of the dungeon vanishes.
> 
> Now fine, for a quick and dirty fix to a nasty problem (dupping) I'm
> all for it and can live with it for awhile.  But, PLEASE, this is
> hopefully NOT the last patch.


     Yes, if you drop two of the same item then one of them will
disappear. It is part of Blizzards plan to curb duping. You'll be glad
to hear that I feel this is by far the worst part of the patch. It does
not stop duping (people can still do it as long as two items of the same
kind are not on the ground at the same time) and makes life hard for
people like you and me. I guess we will have to be very careful about
what we drop from now on. However, that being said, it is a SMALL price
to pay to rid battle.net net of all the tkers and akers and God only
knows what else was out there. If this patch will put a final end to the
more serious problems with battle.net then I hope it is the last one.

Gordon Wilson
gkwi...@ix.netcom.com
IronWill on battle.net and KALI

"Dan Hook" <gul...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



>This is going to be annoying.  I hoard res scrolls and dump them on the
>ground if I play alone.  Looks like I won't be able to do that anymore.  It
>seems rather ridiculous to eliminate one time use items.  Who has ever
>heard a complaint about duplicating scrolls?  Does it do this with potions
>too?

Not with mana and health, but somebody said it does with rejuv.  I
don't know for sure.

Dan Hook (gul...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
[snip]
: This is going to be annoying.  I hoard res scrolls and dump them on the
: ground if I play alone.  Looks like I won't be able to do that anymore.  It
: seems rather ridiculous to eliminate one time use items.  Who has ever
: heard a complaint about duplicating scrolls?  Does it do this with potions
: too?

: Kilgar the Mage

--
No, it does not occur with scrolls and potions, at least I haven't experienced
that effect so far.  I am not sure why this occurs (dup'd scrolls), but I have
bought/found identically named scrolls, dropped them and have later recovered
them successfully post-patch.

Be seeing you,

Ron Courtright
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Gordon K Wilson <gkwi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


>     No - I have no affiliation whatsoever with Blizzard Entertainment.
>Neither do any of my family or friends (as far as I know). Why does my
>defense of a game company lead you to believe that I work for them?

That explanation was immediately below....

>> The question is necessary because it does not seem possible that a
>> person who was simply a dedicated gamer could make such a comment.
>> The comment sounds like something that would be made by somebody who
>> in some way was having to "pay" for the manpower being spent on
>> patches.
>> 


>knows what else was out there. If this patch will put a final end to the
>more serious problems with battle.net then I hope it is the last one.

Ok, now that we've established that you are not affiliated with
Blizzard, could you just please explain (I'm honestly curious) why you
hope this is the last patch given that there are still some very
glaring problems with the game?  It can't be the "hassle" of upgrading
because it was hassle free.

Maureen Grady wrote:
> 
> Gordon K Wilson <gkwi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >     No - I have no affiliation whatsoever with Blizzard Entertainment.
> >Neither do any of my family or friends (as far as I know). Why does my
> >defense of a game company lead you to believe that I work for them?
> 
> That explanation was immediately below....
> 
> >> The question is necessary because it does not seem possible that a
> >> person who was simply a dedicated gamer could make such a comment.
> >> The comment sounds like something that would be made by somebody who
> >> in some way was having to "pay" for the manpower being spent on
> >> patches.

     Ah yes. I should have paid closer attention. Sorry about that. The
answer is still no, however.

> >knows what else was out there. If this patch will put a final end to the
> >more serious problems with battle.net then I hope it is the last one.
> 
> Ok, now that we've established that you are not affiliated with
> Blizzard, could you just please explain (I'm honestly curious) why you
> hope this is the last patch given that there are still some very
> glaring problems with the game?  It can't be the "hassle" of upgrading
> because it was hassle free.

     Believe it or not, there are no "glaring" problems with Diablo
and/or battle.net for me. They both have always worked extremely well.
>From reading on this NG and others it seems that quite a few other
people do have problems with them, though. It was shortsighted of me to
say that I hoped this was the final patch. Obviously there are people
out there who are still having problems with compatibility issues,
"bugs", etc. I have it from a good source that you will get the patch
you are looking for in the coming months. Until then have loads of fun
on battle.net! See you around.

Gordon Wilson
gkwi...@ix.netcom.com
IronWill on battle.net and KALI

Maureen Grady <q...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<5f7g2d$b...@camel0.mindspring.com>...
> Gordon K Wilson <gkwi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Ok, now that we've established that you are not affiliated with
> Blizzard, could you just please explain (I'm honestly curious) why you
> hope this is the last patch given that there are still some very
> glaring problems with the game?  It can't be the "hassle" of upgrading
> because it was hassle free.
> 
> 
> 
Maybe he wants his next cheat to work longer?

-- 
>From Passage to Dawn by R.A. Salvatore page 62 through the voice of Drizzt
Do'Urden 
"...if, as rational beings..., we place our needs and desires above the
needs of our society,...there is no community. I have seen this way of
selfishness. I have seen it fail miserably." 

Jason Nyte wrote:
> 
> Maureen Grady <q...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
> <5f7g2d$b...@camel0.mindspring.com>...
> > Gordon K Wilson <gkwi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, now that we've established that you are not affiliated with
> > Blizzard, could you just please explain (I'm honestly curious) why you
> > hope this is the last patch given that there are still some very
> > glaring problems with the game?  It can't be the "hassle" of upgrading
> > because it was hassle free.
> >
> >
> >
> Maybe he wants his next cheat to work longer?



     Pretty funny, troll. Now go back to your AOL chatroom, d00d.

Gordon Wilson
gkwi...@ix.netcom.com
IronWill on battle.net and KALI

PS - The next time you venture out of your AOL hole and post on Usenet
be sure not to accuse people of cheating when you have no reason to. If
you had bothered to read even a few of my previous posts you would know
that I am against cheating of any kind on battle.net. Have a nice day.

In article <331844...@ix.netcom.com>,
  gkwi...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> Jason Nyte wrote:
> > Maybe he wants his next cheat to work longer?


>      Pretty funny, troll. Now go back to your AOL chatroom, d00d.
>
> Gordon Wilson
> gkwi...@ix.netcom.com
> IronWill on battle.net and KALI
>
> PS - The next time you venture out of your AOL hole and post on Usenet
> be sure not to accuse people of cheating when you have no reason to. If
> you had bothered to read even a few of my previous posts you would know
> that I am against cheating of any kind on battle.net. Have a nice day.

  Oy! That cough medicine is strong stuff. I'm not sure where I got the
impression that you were posting from AOL. At any rate, I apologize for
the AOL comments. I have met some very nice people on AOL. It's the
rotten few that ruin it for everyone else (kinda like battle.net).
Anyway, you get the general idea. Later.

Gordon Wilson
gkwi...@ix.netcom.com
IronWill on battle.net and KALI

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"Jason Nyte" <ny...@ods.ods.net> wrote:


>> 
>Maybe he wants his next cheat to work longer?

That is ignorant and absurd if you've read any of Gordon's posts.  

I have to say, I am starting to get more aggrevated at the people who
scream "cheater, cheater" at the drop of a hat than I am at the
cheater's themselves.  And that's quite a bit of aggrevation.

Jason Nyte wrote:

> If other problems exist, why shouldn't they be dealt with?
> If Blizzard wishes to add to the game why shouldn't it be done?
> I will admit that the cheating comment was out of line, but I can't really
> think of any other reason to avoid further patches.
> If you would note my own posts in  other game groups (especially
> a.g.mecwarrior2), I have a tendency to look for other explantions before
> cheating. (Lag, packet loss, etc.) and I would LOVE to hear a REASON why
> you don't want the game to be patched agian.


     As I stated, the game has always worked perfectly for me. Even
before the patch. It's not that I DIDN'T WANT the game to be patched
again, I simply felt it was unnecessary. Now  Maureen Grady was kind
enough to point out the folly in that idea and I do now realize that
just because the game works well for me does not mean it works well for
everyone else (in fact, it seems not to). So in a message I posted a few
days ago I said I would welcome any additional patches Blizzard might
care to offer up. As a matter of fact, you should be getting another
patch pretty soon.

Gordon Wilson
gkwi...@ix.netcom.com
IronWill on battle.net and KALI

PS - Also, I play Diablo with my father in law quite a bit via the
modem. He does not have Internet access. So with every successive patch
I will have to download it and bring it over to his house and install
it. No big deal really but you could see how a whole slew of patches
might become a pain in the butt. But I say again - if it will rid
battle.net of the cheaters then I don't care! =)

gkwi...@ix.netcom.com wrote in article <8572516...@dejanews.com>...
> In article <331844...@ix.netcom.com>,
>   gkwi...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> >
> > Jason Nyte wrote:
> > > Maybe he wants his next cheat to work longer?
> 
> 
> >      Pretty funny, troll. Now go back to your AOL chatroom, d00d.
> >
> > Gordon Wilson
> > gkwi...@ix.netcom.com
> > IronWill on battle.net and KALI
> >
> > PS - The next time you venture out of your AOL hole and post on Usenet
> > be sure not to accuse people of cheating when you have no reason to. If
> > you had bothered to read even a few of my previous posts you would know
> > that I am against cheating of any kind on battle.net. Have a nice day.
> 
>   Oy! That cough medicine is strong stuff. I'm not sure where I got the
> impression that you were posting from AOL. At any rate, I apologize for
> the AOL comments. I have met some very nice people on AOL. It's the
> rotten few that ruin it for everyone else (kinda like battle.net).
> Anyway, you get the general idea. Later.
> 

Now perhaps you got the idea that I was on AOL because I had my E-mail
going back to my AOL account (although I post from elsewhere)
Had you taken into account the message I was replying to, you might have
bothered to include WHY you would be against another patch.
It took very little time to download, was absolutely free, and basically
ran itself.
If other problems exist, why shouldn't they be dealt with?
If Blizzard wishes to add to the game why shouldn't it be done?
I will admit that the cheating comment was out of line, but I can't really
think of any other reason to avoid further patches.
If you would note my own posts in  other game groups (especially
a.g.mecwarrior2), I have a tendency to look for other explantions before
cheating. (Lag, packet loss, etc.) and I would LOVE to hear a REASON why
you don't want the game to be patched agian.
-- 
>From Passage to Dawn by R.A. Salvatore page 62 through the voice of Drizzt
Do'Urden 
"...if, as rational beings..., we place our needs and desires above the
needs of our society,...there is no community. I have seen this way of
selfishness. I have seen it fail miserably." 

On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:25:21 -0700, Gordon K Wilson
<gkwi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


>     Yes, if you drop two of the same item then one of them will
>disappear. It is part of Blizzards plan to curb duping. You'll be glad
>to hear that I feel this is by far the worst part of the patch. It does
>not stop duping (people can still do it as long as two items of the same
>kind are not on the ground at the same time) and makes life hard for
>people like you and me. I guess we will have to be very careful about
>what we drop from now on. However, that being said, it is a SMALL price
>to pay to rid battle.net net of all the tkers and akers and God only
>knows what else was out there. If this patch will put a final end to the
>more serious problems with battle.net then I hope it is the last one.
>
>Gordon Wilson
>gkwi...@ix.netcom.com
>IronWill on battle.net and KALI


How long do you think it's going to be,  before a hacker comes out
with a new way to cheat on Battle.net??????

Jason Phillips