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Re: Is global leadership a matter of military strength?

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From: B'inyamin Cramer
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:11
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"Peter Webb" <webbfamily...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message 
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> "B'inyamin Cramer" <neverayidinsight@nienteayidhere.cam> wrote in message 
> news:jK-dnWHg3IQ6mCHYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@giganews.com...
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>> "Peter Webb" <webbfamily...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message 
>> news:45bb77de$0$5744$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
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>>> "B'inyamin Cramer" <noyidinsight@notayidhere.cam> wrote in message 
>>> news:19Sdnbw7RrtIjibYnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@giganews.com...
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>>>> "Peter Webb" <webbfamily...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message 
>>>> news:45bb06a4$0$5748$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>>>>> The USA did not provide any material support to Iraq during the 
>>>>>>>>>>> Iran Iraq war, and never supported Saddam. They didn't even 
>>>>>>>>>>> recognise him as the leader of Iraq or his regime as the 
>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate government of Iraq (unlike almost every other 
>>>>>>>>>>> country).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What the fuck? Are you for real? Are you serious?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course. Israel and the US supplied weapons to Iran; they 
>>>>>>>>> supplied none at all to Iraq. You have it backwards. Learn a 
>>>>>>>>> little history.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Horsefuckingshit I've got it backward, you dopey cunt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What the fuck to you think Rumsfeld was doing in Iraq, shaking the 
>>>>>>>> hand of Saddam over.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know; nether Saddam nor Rumsfeld have ever disclosed what was 
>>>>> discussed. My guess is that Rumsfeld was telling Saddam that the US 
>>>>> would not allow Westinghouse (a US company) to supply a nuclear 
>>>>> reactor to Iran (the US refused to supply an export certificate, so 
>>>>> Saddam bought off the French who had no such moral quibbles).
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, it could have been almost anything else - Iraq's human 
>>>>> rights record, an attempt at a diplomatic resolution of the Iraq/Iran 
>>>>> war, or a billion other things.
>>>>>
>>>>> It certainly wasn't the US supplying weapons to Saddam, because they 
>>>>> didn't.
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes they did.
>>>
>>> OK, what weapon or weapons did the US sell to Saddam?
>>
>> In 1982 the US decided to back Iraq because Iran was winning on the 
>> battlefield. Reagan stated the US "could not afford to allow Iraq to lose 
>> the war to Iran and would do whatever was necessary and legal to prevent 
>> Iraq from losing the war with Iran."
>>
>> Check Reagan's National Security Decision Directive of June 1982.
>>
>> Reagan involved the US in providing Iraq with intelligence, economic aid 
>> etc. including the provision of weapons.
>>
>> You may apologise at any time you feel comfortable doing so.
>>
>>
>
> I will, when you say what weapon or weapons USA or Israel ever supplied to 
> Saddam.
>
> The weapons were:

I don't know what weapons they supplied.

Your original assertion was that no weapons were supplied. I showed you were 
wrong.

Methinks a gentleman would accept he was wrong, and apologise for his 
fuckup.
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