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Article #544024Re: the west is the best... and a rant about T60 ThinkPads.
From: ~misfit~
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:08
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:08
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs Mark P. Nelson wrote: > "~misfit~" <sore_n_happy@nospamyahoo.com.au> wrote in > news:huuf0s$u4l$1 @news.eternal-september.org: > >>> >>> And of course I remember her. >> >> I'm impressed! Pretty good for a guy your age. ;-) > > Hey, a little respect, kid! > > ;ţ~ Heh! You most certainly have my respect. I only hope that I'm as in control of my faculties as well as you are if I reach your age. <g> LOL, the newsgroup's been a bit quiet these last couple days huh? I mean, I've been busy[1] the last 24 hours but I've still had time to play a little and keep posting. ;-) Time to get a little OT I think while the coffee kicks in..... Wait a sec, I'll start a couple clone-sit games first...... Done. [1] I 'obtained' another Core*2*Duo T7400 (2.13GHz / 4MB L2 cache) laptop CPU, (which one of my ThinkPad T60s is already running). The other two were running T2xx Core(not 2)Duo CPUs, a 2GHz and a 1.83GHz which, apart from being 20% 'slower' clock-for-clock and only having 2MB L2 lack the Intel EN64T instruction set which allows you to run a 64-bit OS. Also the T7xx series run less core voltage per clock which is impressive considering all the extra transistors on-die for the twice-as-big L2 cache. I was given a Sony Viao laptop to see if I could fix but it's terminal (damaged motherboard / scratched screen / keys missing / scuffed case), they might look all bling and be light and all but they sure as hell aren't rugged). It had the T7400. I swapped a T2500 (2GHz) in my second 15" T60 out and fitted the T7400 (above mentioned advantages plus 2.1GHz), then swapped the T2500 into my 14" T60 to replace the T2400 (1.83GHz) that it had fitted (all of my T60s have the max RAM, 3GB). Finally I put the T2400 into the Sony (which does actually boot but not all the way into windows). So I've upgraded two of my best laptops, I'm quite pleased about that. While the second upgrade wasn't a significant one (just a small speed increase rather than going up a 'grade' in CPU) it's still important to me. I'll be keeping these T60s for the foreseeable future as they're rugged and relatively powerful, although they don't have high-end graphics (only ATI X1400 / 128MB VRAM). They're hardly gaming machines, rather built to be solid reliable corporate workhorses. (The Txx range was [and still is, although I'm not sure if Lenovo are keeping up standards since they took over completely from IBM] the top of the ThinkPad stable and as such were twice the price of the 'consumer' models. They feature magnesium alloy chassis' and carbon-fibre reinforced plastic lids and shells. The lids used to be magnesium alloy as well but as wireless became common and as the anntenna for the wireless are mounted in the lid they reverted back to reinforced plastic for better wireless reception. That said I do also have a rather nice *R*51 laptop, it has a beautiful screen, hi-res [1400x1050] IPS [same as my 15" T60s] but from a different manufacturer. The colours, clarity and viewing angles have to be seen to be appreciated.) I tell ya man, I'm realy impressed with the ThinkPad T60s. They're the last of the 'standard ratio' screen laptops in the ThinkPad range, although the last couple variants did have widescreen but were rare (and I dislike widescreen laptops very much, too much like toys IMO). I fix quite a few laptops, either for neighbours or buying 'fixer-uppers' from Trademe, NZ's version of ebay, and the only ones[2] I'm tempted to keep are ThinkPads. Pretty much every other brand and model I've taken a screwdriver to has been lacking in one or more respects in comparison. Sure, they might look flashy or even have slightly more features but they just don't have the feel of a Txx ThinkPad. A mate of mine told me that, as he was about to walk down the (carpeted) stairs in his home the other day in the middle of reading email on his T60 he took a mis-step and dropped it. (He'd closed the lid but it was running. The lid has little tabs that lock into recesses in the body making the whole thing very rigid.) He said that it bounced all the way down the stairs, around the corner and ended up on the tiles of the hallway / entraceway to their house. His wife freaked but he wasn't worried. He picked it up, opened the lid and carried on checking email. They have accelerometers in them that detect if it's in free-fall (as little as 30cm) or if it takes a knock and almost instantly parks the HDD read / write heads to prevent damage to the platters. I believe him (not that he's prone to lying, LOL), I've opened enough of these babies to see how well-built they are. Can you tell that I'm a real fan of IBM / Lenovo T60 ThinkPads? (Especially the ones with the 1400x1050 IPS displays.) There are well-informed people who are of the opinion that they are / were the pinnacle, the absolute zenith of laptop design and build. Since the T60 even the ThinkPad range has succumbed to the cost-cutting and general demise of good design and pride in build quality that is the result of Joe Public wanting ever-cheaper (and disposable) consumer electronics. People these days are quite happy to buy new every two or three years and don't give a rat's arse about longevity or good design (other than looks). The best thing about this? My T60s were made in 2007 which means that there is a relative glut of them on the market at the moment as corporates tend to have a three-year replacement cycle (at least here in NZ, it's about when tax depreciation makes it most economic to upgrade as they're worth very little on the books). The other thing is that they were made at a time when CPU power was well over-and-above what most people would ever use (with the obvious exceptions) so there's no reason why they can't be usable for another decade! I have one running Windows 7 Ultimate and it handles it easilly, even running a full XP Pro install in it's 'XP Mode' VM. The only downside (and it's not really a huge one unless you're prone to running multiple VMs) is that they are limited to 3GB or RAM. My advice to the wise; Get a good 15" T60 ThinkPad (with ATI graphics [they were also made with integraed Intel graphics] and the 1400x1050 [SXGA+] IPS display) and upgrade the RAM to 3GB if it's not already (as DDR2 RAM is getting more expensive by the week as DDR3 takes over). Hell, do what I've done and get two or three! You'll not regret it, I give you my word. If you're young (obviously not you Mark <g>) your peers with their shiny flimsy bling 'laptops' might look at you askance but you'll be laughing in five years time when they've had to buy two replacements and your T60 is still going strong. If possible buy one with a C2D T7xxx CPU but, if you can get a good one with the 15" IPS display but only a T2xxx CPU at the right price grab it anyway, the CPU is (relatively) easilly upgradable and the required CPUs are only going to get cheaper (for about two years, then they'll get more expensive and a lot harder to find if past trends are anything to go by). If you have no intention of running 64bit software then tha T2xxx will probably be fine, just not as powerful as a T7xxx. Not only is the T7xxx the next gen but it has double the L2 cache which makes it more responsive again. The T7400 2.13GHz is the best price-point upgrade. There is a T7600 2.3GHz in the range which is the fastest CPU a T60 will take but they command a huge premium and frankly the extra bit of speed won't be anywhere near as noticable over the T7400. It's the '2' part in the Core2Duo and the cache that makes the upgrade worth it. <phew> Ok, time for another coffee and to face my Sunday (NZ time...) I was just so pleased to turn my machines on this morning with their newly-fitted CPUs knowing that now, if I so desire, I can run 64bit OS' on both my 15" models and my 14" T60 has a faster CPU that I had to share and you folks were in the wrong place at the wrong time. <g> (Did I mention that there are downloadable hardware maintenance manuals available for ThinkPads that makes working on them a breeze?) May all your runes be high and all your drops be golden. -- Cheers, Shaun. "When we dream.... that's just our brains defragmenting" G Jackson.
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