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"jgarbuz" <jga...@netzero.com> wrote in message 
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> On Nov 26, 12:17 pm, david_h...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
>>
>> The Ashnenazi Jews may be related to the mongoloid populations of the
>> Russian Steppes, north of the Black Sea, stretching all the way to
>> Ghengiz Khan's Monglia, the same tribes that ruled Russian between
>> 12-14 centuries. Khazarian populations may be related to the Chinese
>> and Native Americans by extension, as native americans  are Siberian
>> nomads who crossed the Bering Sea. Therefore, it's more likely the
>> Polish Jews are remotely related to Han Chinese than to any Semitic
>> tribe out there.
>>
>> David Huang
>
> Who were the Khazars, and with whom should they be identified today?
> The "Khazar issue"
>
>    The discovery of the Khazar Kingdom that flourished in the Middle
> Ages has became now a favourite topic of argument ad speculation by
> the anti-Semites and other fanatic and hate groups and organizations
> that attempt to undermine the Jewishness of the Jews, often to claim
> the rights of the Jews for themselves. Here I want to expose some
> essential facts regarding the Khazars and their history, their
> contribution and assimilation within the Ashkenazic Jewry.
>
>    Before dealing with the subject of this page, it is important to
> make clear some irrefutable facts:
>    There are supporters of the false hypothesis that all present-day
> Jews are not of Israelite origin but Khazars, and they found their
> claim in the fact that many Khazars adopted Judaism as their belief.
> Even if such assertion be true for a large number of Jews (which is
> not), this may be said exclusively of the Ashkenazim, which is only
> one of the ethnic branches of the Jewish nation.

It's 90%


 Actually, nobody can
> ascribe Khazar origin to the Sephardi, Teymani, Mizrachi, Bukharan,
> Indian, Ethiopic and all the other branches, that constitute the
> majority of the Jewish population and are undoubtedly of Semitic,
> Israelite origin.

They make up less than 10% and were probably converts. But let's remember 
that Abraham and his tribes originated in the North (Khazaria) and came 
south to conquer the people there or just exploit empty land. The entire 
area was Caucasian at that time and it wasn't until much later that Negroes 
from the south moved in. Even Numbia was Caucasian at one time.



 Therefore, whoever tries to undermine the Jewish
> right on Eretz Yisrael has failed the goal since the beginning: even
> if none of the Ashkenazim be a true Jew, all the non-Ashkenazim Jews
> are enough to claim the Land of Israel as their homeland,

Nonsense. Abraham was an invader from Khazaria.



 with
> Yerushalaym as their capital.\par
>    Notwithstanding, it is essential to establish: 1) the origin of
> the Ashkenazim Jews of Eastern Europe; 2) the origin of the Khazarian
> Jews; and 3) the origin of the Russian, Polish and Balkan Jews.\par
>
>    1) Ashkenazim is the general definition applied to the
> heterogeneous branch of European Jews, excluding those of the
> Mediterranean area. As the term itself suggests, it referred in origin
> to the Jews dwelling in the Mitteleuropa, considered to be the land of
> Ashkenaz, but was subsequently applied in an extended manner to
> different Jewish communities that include German, Polish,
> Scandinavian, Russian and Danubian Jews among others.\par

That's because the Askanazies spread into these areas.


>
>    The Mitteleuropean Jews sojourned in Germany, Austria and Bohemia
> long enough as to develop their own German-based language: Yiddisch,
> which became the "official" tongue of all Ashkenazim Jews. It was from
> Germany that they emigrated eastwards and reached Russia.

These people were originally from the East then went into western Europe and 
perhaps back into Russia at a later date. But they were from the East.

>
>    Genetic tests indicate that Ashkenazim Jews are also the direct
> descendants of the Israelites, and their DNA confirms their ancestry
> from the ancient Middle East.

That's ridiculous. Genetic tests would only show that the Askanazies are 
related to people in Palestine which is no surprise since they all went 
there after WWII   lol  The ancient Middle East was colonised  by people 
from the North so that's no surprise either concerning DNA.


 Genetics studies show that Ashkenazim
> Jews are more closely related to Yemenite Jews, Assyrian Jews,
> Sephardic Jews, Kurdish Jews, and Arabs than they are to European
> peoples, and that hardly any intermarriage or conversion has occurred
> to affect the Jewish groups over the centuries.*

You mean recent centuries NOT 1000's of years ago.


>
>    2) When the Khazarian rulers converted to Judaism (and also
> before), they established religious freedom, which was a determinant
> fact to attract those persecuted minorities in Europe and the Islamic
> countries to immigrate into their kingdom. Besides the Jewish
> population already living in Khazaria, a large number of Jews
> persecuted in the Byzantine Empire

That tiny hebrew population was actually the remnants of the people in 
Palestine who migrated back to their homeland after they were defeated and 
scattered by the Romans in 70AD. Their relatives in Khazaria were practising 
Pagan religions just as they did 1000's of years before Abraham invented a 
new religion. The new hebrew religion became popular just as Christianity 
became popular in Europe.

 and other areas fled to that land
> of freedom and prosperity. Jews came to Khazaria from Central Asia,
> Caucasus, Balkans, Syria, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, and even from
> Western Europe, as documented by al-Masudi, Sa'adiyah Gaon, the
> Schechter Letter and other accounts.

You're talking about a much later date and AFTER these peoples had already 
migrated West. There's nothing surprising about this because the jew tends 
to get kicked out of everywhere he goes and then looks for another place lol 
Jews even beg to be readmitted to places where they were "persecuted" and 
will pay money for the privilege   haha


 The Arab writer Dimashqi wrote
> that these refugee Jews offered their religion to the Khazars and that
> they "found it better than their own and accepted it".* Jewish
> immigrants quickly outnumbered the native Jews of the kingdom.

They were all blood brothers to begin with.


>
>    It is documented that also many Khazars adopted Judaism after
> their kings themselves converted to the Jewish belief, but it is not
> possible to establish whether they were more or less in number than
> the original Jew inhabitants of Khazaria.

As I said they were all originally related. When handfuls from the south 
went back they were going back to their own people with a new religion 
invented by Abraham.
btw, the Romans wrote about these areas over 2000 years ago. They did not go 
into these areas north of the Caucasus because they considered it worthless 
and referred to it as the end of the world (civilised world) They knew that 
primitive people lived there but did not go there anymore than they would go 
into Afghanistan.


>
>    3) After the fall of the Khazar Empire, the Kievan Rus' took its
> place and ruled over its territory. Consequently, a large number of
> Jews - both Khazar and non-Khazar (Israelite)

They were originally the same.



- became the inhabitants
> of the growing Slavic-Varangian (Russian) state. The Russians
> inherited most of the social system of the Khazar Kingdom,

Actually, the Russians in Moscow and Petersburg are descended form Vikings.



 and granted
> a relative religious freedom to their new heterogeneous population.
> Since the 11th century c.e., the havoc wrought by the Crusades in the
> Jewish communities of Western Europe caused a constant stream of
> German Jews fleeing to the comparatively free countries of the
> Slavonians. Russia was the most desired land to live in those times.
> The Jewish settlers from abroad soon outnumbered the native Jews,
> spreading their Yiddisch language and their customs wherever they
> established themselves. Besides the Ashkenazim, the great majority of
> the Jewry, which had until then lived under the shelter of Arab rule,
> fled eastward to escape the new inquisition in Spain, and reached
> Ukraine, Poland and Russia, where they met with Jews who had been
> continuously migrating there from Germany since the 11th century c.e.

So? Nothing new here. Jews are always getting thrown out of places and 
moving back and forth.


> Most of East European Jews migrated from the west to the east of the
> continent, and were not descended from the inhabitants of the Khazar
> Empire. They are actually a fusion of Balkan-Greek Jews from the
> Byzantine Empire, Babylonian Jews from the Abbasid Caliphate, Yiddish-
> speaking Jews from Germany, Sephardic Jews fleeing the Spanish
> inquisition, and Khazars. All these groups intermarried over the
> centuries, so that the Khazar converts disappeared as a
> distinguishable ethnical entity and their descendants became fully
> Jewish with Israelite ancestry.

But the Israelites were originally from this area of the North. Read the 
Bible. Where was Abraham from?
>
>    Russian Jews descend mainly from Mitteleuropean Jews, while the
> first Polish Jews had Slavic given names typical of Bohemia and
> Moravia. Sephardic Jews from Spain, Portugal, and Turkey emigrated as
> well to Poland, Hungary and Romania and intermarried with Ashkenazim
> Jews. This has been confirmed by research done on numerous families'
> genealogies, some of which have Sephardic surnames and oral traditions
> of Sephardic ancestry.*
>
>    If Khazarian ethnicity may be considered in any way of relevant
> influence among Russian Jews, the same is not valid for those of
> Poland; which is confirmed also by the following facts:

Buddy, stop the double talk and go back 2000 years  not a few hundred.


>
>    Polish "shtetl" life is completely extraneous to the Khazars.
>    The majority of Polish Jews came from the west, not the east.
>    There are no places in Poland that may recall Khazar origin.
>    Most Ashkenazi Jews have Germanic, not Khazar, surnames and
> customs.
>    There's not any relevant trace of the Khazarian language among
> Jews, on the contrary, the Ashkenazim's tongue, Yiddisch, is evidently
> of German origin.*
>
>    The Khazars
>
>    The origin of the Khazars and their earliest history is hidden
> within other peoples of Scythian stock, and very few is known of them
> before the sixth century c.e.,

Except by the Romans. Furthermore, the people of Europe were trading with 
the people from the East for 1000's of years. There are mummies 5k years old 
which show both by DNA and the sort of cloth they were wearing that these 
people were European. In their trading they encountered other people and 
took note of them just as Marco Polo did centuries later. WE KNOW THE AREA 
WELL.

http://www.meshrep.com/PicOfDay/mummies/mummies.htm


 when they established a powerful
> kingdom in Southern Russia, between the Dniepr and the Aral Sea.
> Anyway, they are surely very closely related to the Huns, who are the
> subject of the next chapter. According to their own records, they
> descend from Togarmah through his son Khozar. This hypothesis would be
> feasible, but the Khazarian tradition is not creditable since they
> consider Togarmah the father of Turkic nations and differs from the
> Caucasian (Kartvelian and Armenian) records which are reliable.
> According to Khazars, Togarmah had ten sons called Ujur, Tauris, Avar,
> Uauz, Bizal, Tarna, Khozar, Janur, Bulgar and Savir, whose names
> obviously coincide with different Turkic tribes once settled in the
> area around the Black and Caspian Seas, within the Khazarian Empire.
> This alleged descent from Togarmah seems to belong to the later
> period, when Khazars adopted Judaism.\par
>
>    Even though some peoples in ancient times joined others of
> different extraction (like the Alans, that were a leading Sarmatic
> tribe, then contributed with the Huns/Magyars to form the Hungarian
> nation while other branches were assimilated by Slavic peoples), the
> Khazars are more likely related to Magog and eventually to Sumerians.
> Anyway, it is also possible that the Khazars were in origin a
> Caucasian people of Togarmah that became part of the Scythian and
> subsequently Turkic peoples.
>
>    The lack of knowledge and information about the Khazars' history
> and their civilization is due to historic revisionism - as it is well
> known, history is re-written by those who replaced the extinct
> civilization, in this case, the Russians and Byzantines, and by the
> surviving enemies, the Arabs. Their link to Judaism has been a
> determinant factor for historians to obscure the importance and high
> cultural development of the Khazars (in a similar way as the Hyksos'
> rule over Egypt is discredited).
>
>    From about the year 4310 to 4390 (550 to 630 c.e.), the Khazars
> were ruled by the K\'f6k Turks. When that empire collapsed as a result
> of civil wars, the Khazars successfully achieved their independence.
>
>    The kingdom of Khazaria was in the beginning in the Northern
> Caucasus area, with the capital at Balanjar, identified with the
> archaeological site Verkhneye Chir-Yurt. Around the year 4480 (720
> c.e.),

You mean AD. And stop with that silly hebrew calendar

. No Heeb sat down 5000+ years ago and decided to begin a calendar lol It's 
all retroactive.

Hey, I'm making a new calendar myself.

The year is now  35,000 EE  (European Era) It begins from when our ancestor 
Abrahahammer got this revelation from GOD and drew the first cave painting.