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On 2018-07-21, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> I often hear oldsters complain, "when I was a kid we could do
> math in our head" (among many other feats they could accomplish).
>
> Yet back in 1961 there were complaints that young people--today's
> oldsters--were just as inept as people complain today.

There is that story about an ancient text that translates as 
"Young people have no respect for their elders any more."
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=XEIqAAAAIBAJ&lpg=PA5&dq=%22ibm%20701%22&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q=%22ibm%20701%22&f=false
>
> (article on far right side "Too many can't figure simple interest")

Probably because AFAIK, nobody charges simple interest, its sorta compound all the way down."

On 21 Jul 2018 20:34:37 GMT, ma...@mail.com wrote:

>On 2018-07-21, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> I often hear oldsters complain, "when I was a kid we could do
>> math in our head" (among many other feats they could accomplish).
>>
>> Yet back in 1961 there were complaints that young people--today's
>> oldsters--were just as inept as people complain today.
>
>There is that story about an ancient text that translates as 
>"Young people have no respect for their elders any more."
>>
>> https://books.google.com/books?id=XEIqAAAAIBAJ&lpg=PA5&dq=%22ibm%20701%22&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q=%22ibm%20701%22&f=false
>>
>> (article on far right side "Too many can't figure simple interest")
>
>Probably because AFAIK, nobody charges simple interest, its sorta compound all the way down."

The article isn't "Too many can't figure simple interest", it is "Too
many can't figure interest, simple rules of credit", although I can
understand someone who hasn't studied this stuff not understanding
that "simple interest" has a very specific meaning in financial
management.

On 21 Jul 2018 20:34:37 GMT, ma...@mail.com wrote:
>On 2018-07-21, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> I often hear oldsters complain, "when I was a kid we could do
>> math in our head" (among many other feats they could accomplish).
>>
>> Yet back in 1961 there were complaints that young people--today's
>> oldsters--were just as inept as people complain today.
>
>There is that story about an ancient text that translates as 
>"Young people have no respect for their elders any more."

Some other examples.

I think it was a piece from Ancient Greece, and it was used to make
fun of the peace movement, hippies, etc. I forget. About 1968 is when
I saw this one.

There was a wall poster, about 1970, that claimed to be quoting a
certain Third Reich official, but they were quoting Nixon.

On 21 Jul 2018 20:34:37 GMT
ma...@mail.com wrote:

> There is that story about an ancient text that translates as 
> "Young people have no respect for their elders any more."

	There are *many* such ancient texts, including a rant attributed to
Aristotle, another to Socrates and a gem by Hesiod.

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 21 Jul 2018 20:34:37 GMT
> ma...@mail.com wrote:
> 
>> There is that story about an ancient text that translates as 
>> "Young people have no respect for their elders any more."
> 
> 	There are *many* such ancient texts, including a rant attributed to
> Aristotle, another to Socrates and a gem by Hesiod.
> 

I think some go back to Sumer and Old Kingdom Egypt.

-- 
Pete

On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 15:24:10 -0400
Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> > On 21 Jul 2018 20:34:37 GMT
> > ma...@mail.com wrote:
> > 
> >> There is that story about an ancient text that translates as 
> >> "Young people have no respect for their elders any more."
> > 
> > 	There are *many* such ancient texts, including a rant
> > attributed to Aristotle, another to Socrates and a gem by Hesiod.
> > 
> 
> I think some go back to Sumer and Old Kingdom Egypt.

	It wouldn't surprise me if the oldest such lament was heard in some
cave not long after the concepts youth, elders, today and respect first made
it into something that one day would become language.

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 20:16:33 GMT, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<ste...@eircom.net> wrote: 

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 15:24:10 -0400
> Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>> > On 21 Jul 2018 20:34:37 GMT
>> > ma...@mail.com wrote:
>> > 
>> >> There is that story about an ancient text that translates as 
>> >> "Young people have no respect for their elders any more."
>> > 
>> >      There are *many* such ancient texts, including a rant
>> > attributed to Aristotle, another to Socrates and a gem by Hesiod.
>> > 
>> 
>> I think some go back to Sumer and Old Kingdom Egypt.
> 
>      It wouldn't surprise me if the oldest such lament was heard in
>      some 
> cave not long after the concepts youth, elders, today and respect
> first made it into something that one day would become language.
> 

Caves? Looxury, we 'ad to make nests in't trees. And don't get me started 
about this newfangled "fire" malarky.

-- 
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 2:34:39 PM UTC-6, ma...@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-07-21, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:

> > I often hear oldsters complain, "when I was a kid we could do
> > math in our head" (among many other feats they could accomplish).

> > Yet back in 1961 there were complaints that young people--today's
> > oldsters--were just as inept as people complain today.

> There is that story about an ancient text that translates as 
> "Young people have no respect for their elders any more."

Good old Ipuwer.

John Savard

On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 10:24:36 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 2:34:39 PM UTC-6, ma...@mail.com wrote:
> > On 2018-07-21, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> 
> > > I often hear oldsters complain, "when I was a kid we could do
> > > math in our head" (among many other feats they could accomplish).
> 
> > > Yet back in 1961 there were complaints that young people--today's
> > > oldsters--were just as inept as people complain today.
> 
> > There is that story about an ancient text that translates as 
> > "Young people have no respect for their elders any more."
> 
> Good old Ipuwer.

On the other hand, another version of this - sometimes attributed to Plato or 
Socrates - turns out to have been spurious:

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehaving-children-in-ancient-times/

John Savard

On 21/07/2018 20:30, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> I often hear oldsters complain, "when I was a kid we could do
> math in our head" (among many other feats they could accomplish).
> 
> Yet back in 1961 there were complaints that young people--today's
> oldsters--were just as inept as people complain today.
> 
> https://books.google.com/books?id=XEIqAAAAIBAJ&lpg=PA5&dq=%22ibm%20701%22&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q=%22ibm%20701%22&f=false
> 
> (article on far right side "Too many can't figure simple interest")
> 

It is a requirement in the UK that 'mental mathematics' is both taught 
and tested. During an Ofsted inspection it is, or was (I've been retired 
a few years)  normal to expect to see evidence this requirement is being 
met.  Contrary to popular myth, multiplication tables are still learned, 
as are 'manual' techniques for division, multiplication, finding common 
factors, etc.




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On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 22:50:07 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 10:24:36 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 2:34:39 PM UTC-6, ma...@mail.com wrote:
>> > On 2018-07-21, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > > I often hear oldsters complain, "when I was a kid we could do
>> > > math in our head" (among many other feats they could accomplish).
>> 
>> > > Yet back in 1961 there were complaints that young people--today's
>> > > oldsters--were just as inept as people complain today.
>> 
>> > There is that story about an ancient text that translates as 
>> > "Young people have no respect for their elders any more."
>> 
>> Good old Ipuwer.
>
>On the other hand, another version of this - sometimes attributed to Plato or 
>Socrates - turns out to have been spurious:
>
>https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehaving-children-in-ancient-times/

On the other hand one suspects that the sentiment predates writing.

While not worded in the same way, if there wasn't a problem with kids
respecting their parents, why would one of the Commandments be "Honor
thy father and thy mother"?
>
>John Savard

On 2018-07-24, J  Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 22:50:07 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
><jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 10:24:36 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 2:34:39 PM UTC-6, ma...@mail.com wrote:
>>> > On 2018-07-21, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > > I often hear oldsters complain, "when I was a kid we could do
>>> > > math in our head" (among many other feats they could accomplish).
>>> 
>>> > > Yet back in 1961 there were complaints that young people--today's
>>> > > oldsters--were just as inept as people complain today.
>>> 
>>> > There is that story about an ancient text that translates as 
>>> > "Young people have no respect for their elders any more."
>>> 
>>> Good old Ipuwer.
>>
>>On the other hand, another version of this - sometimes attributed to Plato or 
>>Socrates - turns out to have been spurious:
>>
>>https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehaving-children-in-ancient-times/
>
> On the other hand one suspects that the sentiment predates writing.
>
> While not worded in the same way, if there wasn't a problem with kids
> respecting their parents, why would one of the Commandments be "Honor
> thy father and thy mother"?
>>
>>John Savard

Clough, a Victorian poet, had a newer version of the Decalogue, which
partly went

"Honour your parents, that is all
from whom promotion may befall."