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On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 4:05:08 AM UTC-7, fiz...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
> Maybe not exactly folklore, but related to old times.
> Does anyone know what happened to Bell-Labs' PORT 3 subroutine library (which was freely downloadable for researchers) after the Nokia takeover? I know a subset is on netlib, but was the rest just removed?

Thank you for asking these nostalgic questions.

http://ai.neocities.org/FirstWorkingAGI.html 

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On 29/06/2018 12:43, menti...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thank you for asking these nostalgic questions.
> 
> http://ai.neocities.org/FirstWorkingAGI.html
> 

That chap has been banging on for ages about his
supposed AI achievement, but he never features
in any real applications.

On 2018-06-29, Gareth's Downstairs Computer <headstone255.but.n...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 29/06/2018 12:43, menti...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thank you for asking these nostalgic questions.
>> 
>> http://ai.neocities.org/FirstWorkingAGI.html
>> 
>
> That chap has been banging on for ages about his
> supposed AI achievement, but he never features
> in any real applications.
>
>

Are there any reallife AI achievements?

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On 29 Jun 2018 15:56:55 GMT
maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:

> Are there any reallife AI achievements?

	Many.

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On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 11:00:07 AM UTC-7, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On 29 Jun 2018 15:56:55 GMT
> maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Are there any reallife AI achievements?
> 
> 	Many.
> 
> -- 
> Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable http://www.sohara.org/

The ghost.pl First Working AGI in Perl Five can now engage in automated reasoning with logical inference. The artificial general intelligence already knows the general premise "women have a child". If the user types in "anna is a woman", the AGI asks for confirmation of a silent inference, "Does Anna have a child?" If the user answers "yes", the Ghost AI accepts the inferred idea. If the user answers "no", the mind-module KbRetro adjusts the knowledge base retroactively to negate the inferred idea and the AI says "ANNA DOES NOT HAVE CHILD".

Q.E.D. 

Mentifex (Arthur)

maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2018-06-29, Gareth's Downstairs Computer
> <headstone255.but.n...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 29/06/2018 12:43, menti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Thank you for asking these nostalgic questions.
>>> 
>>> http://ai.neocities.org/FirstWorkingAGI.html
>>> 
>> 
>> That chap has been banging on for ages about his
>> supposed AI achievement, but he never features
>> in any real applications.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Are there any reallife AI achievements?
> 

Getting closer. Watson beat the champ at jeopardy, which requires a certain
amount of AI.

-- 
Pete

On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 2:46:47 AM UTC-7, Peter Flass wrote:
> maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
> > On 2018-06-29, Gareth's Downstairs Computer
> > <headstone255.but.n...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On 29/06/2018 12:43, menti...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Thank you for asking these nostalgic questions.
> >>> 
> >>> http://ai.neocities.org/FirstWorkingAGI.html
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> That chap has been banging on for ages about his
> >> supposed AI achievement, but he never features
> >> in any real applications.
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > Are there any reallife AI achievements?
> > 
> 
> Getting closer. Watson beat the champ at jeopardy, which requires a certain
> amount of AI.
> 
> -- 
> Pete

Oops! Forgot to give the URL of the three First Working AGI Minds:

http://ai.neocities.org/perlmind.txt -- ghost.pl AI in Strawberry Perl Five;

http://ai.neocities.org/mindforth.txt -- MindForth in 32-bit Win32Forth;

http://ai.neocities.org/FirstWorkingAGI.html -- in JavaScript for MSIE.

Arthur 
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 05:46:46 -0400
Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:

> > Are there any reallife AI achievements?
> > 
> 
> Getting closer. Watson beat the champ at jeopardy, which requires a
> certain amount of AI.

	It is interesting what people think of as AI which seems for most
people to focus around conversational criteria (winning Jeopardy, passing a
Turing test) and far less on non-verbal criteria such as creating a picture
from a short description or detecting lies in court or playing video games
or diagnosing illness or ... All of which (and a good many more) have been
reported as achieving or exceeding human capability in the last year or so.

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The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

Thank you for keeping the topic on top. Does anyone know anything about PORT3?

On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 09:16:28 -0700 (PDT)
fiz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for keeping the topic on top. Does anyone know anything about
> PORT3?

	Welcome to the home of thread drift. I can honestly say I don't.

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The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 05:46:46 -0400
> Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Are there any reallife AI achievements?
>>> 
>> 
>> Getting closer. Watson beat the champ at jeopardy, which requires a
>> certain amount of AI.
> 
> 	It is interesting what people think of as AI which seems for most
> people to focus around conversational criteria (winning Jeopardy, passing a
> Turing test) and far less on non-verbal criteria such as creating a picture
> from a short description or detecting lies in court or playing video games
> or diagnosing illness or ... All of which (and a good many more) have been
> reported as achieving or exceeding human capability in the last year or so.
> 

I don't think creating a picture or playing video games qualify as
intelligence - maybe the picture part.

Computers are getting really good at diagnosing illness. This isn't so much
AI as an expert system. I think they can detect lies, too, but maybe not in
real time. The thing about jeopardy is that (if I got this right) is that
you have to be able to pick up clues from context which is hard(er).

-- 
Pete

On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 06:47:13 -0400
Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 05:46:46 -0400
> > Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>> Are there any reallife AI achievements?
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Getting closer. Watson beat the champ at jeopardy, which requires a
> >> certain amount of AI.
> > 
> > 	It is interesting what people think of as AI which seems for
> > most people to focus around conversational criteria (winning Jeopardy,
> > passing a Turing test) and far less on non-verbal criteria such as
> > creating a picture from a short description or detecting lies in court
> > or playing video games or diagnosing illness or ... All of which (and a
> > good many more) have been reported as achieving or exceeding human
> > capability in the last year or so.
> > 
> 
> I don't think creating a picture or playing video games qualify as
> intelligence - maybe the picture part.

	Imagine trying to design algorithms to do either of those - there
are neural nets that play first person shooter games better than people
(one was a PHD thesis project!) which is not an easy thing to contemplate
writing code to do. It might not be an AI but I'd hate to meet a descendant
of that code running in one of those robot guns mounted on a spider robot.

	The pictures I have seen included a lot of detail and background
that wasn't in the description putting what was asked for into an
appropriate context. Not something I'd care to attempt to write code for.

	There's an old saying in the AI field - "Once we know how to do it
it's not AI" therefore AI will never be achieved as long as there's
anything people can do that AIs can't - not sure how long that will be,
perhaps forever or perhaps way sooner than anyone thinks.

	Some people reserve AI for either general artificial intelligence
or artificial sentience - neither of which is happening yet - and use ML
(Machine Learning) for everything else. It avoids the poorly defined
concept 'intelligence'.

	What interests me about what people will and will not call AI is
that it really digs into the question of what do we mean by 'intelligence'.
It's going to get even more fun if/when there's something around that
might be artificially sentient - the arguments are going to be wonderful
(but perhaps not from the point of view of the sentient AI whose life and
rights are at stake).

	The way I see it is that if the machine learns how to do it from
examples or practice with or without guidance then it's AI (or ML if you
prefer) if the machine has to be programmed in detail then it's not.

> Computers are getting really good at diagnosing illness. This isn't so
> much AI as an expert system.

	The pure expert system approach was used as far back as the early
1980s, I recall reading a report on a system that was claimed to be better
at diagnosing stomach pains than human doctors - I still wonder why it's
not in every GP's surgery. AIUI the more modern ones are hybrids of expert
systems and neural nets.

> I think they can detect lies, too, but maybe
> not in real time.

	Yes they can viz:

https://futurism.com/new-ai-detects-deception-bring-end-lying-know-it/

	Futurism tends to be somewhat enthusiastic (although the links to
source material usually help with that), but this article is better than
most with quotes from the people who did the work.

> The thing about jeopardy is that (if I got this right)
> is that you have to be able to pick up clues from context which is
> hard(er).

	Yes that's the sort of thing that modern AIs can do.

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The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> writes:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 05:46:46 -0400
>> Peter Flass <peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Are there any reallife AI achievements?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Getting closer. Watson beat the champ at jeopardy, which requires a
>>> certain amount of AI.
>> 
>> 	It is interesting what people think of as AI which seems for most
>> people to focus around conversational criteria (winning Jeopardy, passing a
>> Turing test) and far less on non-verbal criteria such as creating a picture
>> from a short description or detecting lies in court or playing video games
>> or diagnosing illness or ... All of which (and a good many more) have been
>> reported as achieving or exceeding human capability in the last year or so.
>> 
>
> I don't think creating a picture or playing video games qualify as
> intelligence - maybe the picture part.
>
> Computers are getting really good at diagnosing illness. This isn't so much
> AI as an expert system. I think they can detect lies, too, but maybe not in
> real time. The thing about jeopardy is that (if I got this right) is that
> you have to be able to pick up clues from context which is hard(er).

This is a phenomenon that has been observed for decades -- once
something works, it is no longer considered to be AI.

My son is creating income for Bing by using deep learning to better
target ads to search engine users.  Neural networks were certainly
considered to be AI before they were practical; optimizing a revenue
stream is about as practical an application as you can get.