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On 07/02/2018 18:10, Your Name Here wrote:
> This is a horrible computer …. how in the hell do you guys
> deal with smart finger skating pads?
> 
> /BAH
> 

1. I turned off the 'tap' facility. It has too many unwanted side 
effects. (The option is deep within the finger pad device controls.)

2. I bought a mouse that connects via a USB port.

Andrew Swallow wrote:
> On 07/02/2018 18:10, Your Name Here wrote:
>> This is a horrible computer …. how in the hell do you guys
>> deal with smart finger skating pads?
>>
>> /BAH
>>
>
> 1. I turned off the 'tap' facility. It has too many unwanted side
> effects. (The option is deep within the finger pad device controls.)

I think I found that deep well.  I turned stuff off but the damned thing
didn't listen to me.  Typical computer.

>
> 2. I bought a mouse that connects via a USB port.

I hate meeces.

/BAH

On 2018-02-09, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
> Andrew Swallow wrote:
>> On 07/02/2018 18:10, Your Name Here wrote:
>>> This is a horrible computer …. how in the hell do you guys
>>> deal with smart finger skating pads?
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>>
>>
>> 1. I turned off the 'tap' facility. It has too many unwanted side
>> effects. (The option is deep within the finger pad device controls.)
>
> I think I found that deep well.  I turned stuff off but the damned thing
> didn't listen to me.  Typical computer.
>
>>
>> 2. I bought a mouse that connects via a USB port.
>
> I hate meeces.
>
> /BAH

!
-- 
greymaus.ireland.ie
Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man

On 9 Feb 2018 15:27:58 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:

>Andrew Swallow wrote:
>> On 07/02/2018 18:10, Your Name Here wrote:
>>> This is a horrible computer …. how in the hell do you guys
>>> deal with smart finger skating pads?
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>>
>>
>> 1. I turned off the 'tap' facility. It has too many unwanted side
>> effects. (The option is deep within the finger pad device controls.)
>
>I think I found that deep well.  I turned stuff off but the damned thing
>didn't listen to me.  Typical computer.
>
>>
>> 2. I bought a mouse that connects via a USB port.
>
>I hate meeces.
>
>/BAH

At least you don't have to use a moose.

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 8:50:23 AM UTC-7, ma...@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-02-09, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
> > Andrew Swallow wrote:

> >> 2. I bought a mouse that connects via a USB port.

> > I hate meeces.

> !

To pieces, no doubt.

John Savard

Quadibloc wrote:
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 8:50:23 AM UTC-7, ma...@mail.com wrote:
>> On 2018-02-09, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>> > Andrew Swallow wrote:
>
>> >> 2. I bought a mouse that connects via a USB port.
>
>> > I hate meeces.
>
>> !
>
> To pieces, no doubt.

There was a cartoon character who used to say that.  Now I can't
remember what it was.

/BAH

JimP wrote:
> On 9 Feb 2018 15:27:58 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Andrew Swallow wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2018 18:10, Your Name Here wrote:
>>>> This is a horrible computer …. how in the hell do you guys
>>>> deal with smart finger skating pads?
>>>>
>>>> /BAH
>>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I turned off the 'tap' facility. It has too many unwanted side
>>> effects. (The option is deep within the finger pad device controls.)
>>
>>I think I found that deep well.  I turned stuff off but the damned thing
>>didn't listen to me.  Typical computer.
>>
>>>
>>> 2. I bought a mouse that connects via a USB port.
>>
>>I hate meeces.
>>
>>/BAH
>
> At least you don't have to use a moose.

I've never met one.  :-)

/BAH

On 10 Feb 2018 14:34:00 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:

>Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 8:50:23 AM UTC-7, ma...@mail.com wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-09, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>> > Andrew Swallow wrote:
>>
>>> >> 2. I bought a mouse that connects via a USB port.
>>
>>> > I hate meeces.
>>
>>> !
>>
>> To pieces, no doubt.
>
>There was a cartoon character who used to say that.  Now I can't
>remember what it was.
>
>/BAH

Pixie and Dixie. One was the cat the other the mouse.

On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 09:49:32 -0600, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pixie and Dixie. One was the cat the other the mouse.

Pixie and Dixie were both mice.  The cat who hated meeces to pieces
was Jinks.

-- 
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On 09/02/2018 15:27, jmfbahciv wrote:
> Andrew Swallow wrote:
>> On 07/02/2018 18:10, Your Name Here wrote:
>>> This is a horrible computer …. how in the hell do you guys
>>> deal with smart finger skating pads?
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>>
>>
>> 1. I turned off the 'tap' facility. It has too many unwanted side
>> effects. (The option is deep within the finger pad device controls.)
> 
> I think I found that deep well.  I turned stuff off but the damned thing
> didn't listen to me.  Typical computer.
> 
>>
>> 2. I bought a mouse that connects via a USB port.
> 
> I hate meeces.
> 
> /BAH
> 

Joy sticks also exist. No need to get catty. ;)

On 2/10/2018 6:33 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 09:49:32 -0600, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pixie and Dixie. One was the cat the other the mouse.
> 
> Pixie and Dixie were both mice.  The cat who hated meeces to pieces
> was Jinks.
> 

If you don't like to sit "any old where", maybe you "hate tmesis to 
pieces"!!!  ;-)

-- 
numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 20:33:13 -0400, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 09:49:32 -0600, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pixie and Dixie. One was the cat the other the mouse.
>
>Pixie and Dixie were both mice.  The cat who hated meeces to pieces
>was Jinks.

I knew I probably misremembered.

Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 09:49:32 -0600, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pixie and Dixie. One was the cat the other the mouse.
>
> Pixie and Dixie were both mice.  The cat who hated meeces to pieces
> was Jinks.
>
<GRIN>   Thanks.

/BAH

Andrew Swallow wrote:
> On 09/02/2018 15:27, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> Andrew Swallow wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2018 18:10, Your Name Here wrote:
>>>> This is a horrible computer …. how in the hell do you guys
>>>> deal with smart finger skating pads?
>>>>
>>>> /BAH
>>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I turned off the 'tap' facility. It has too many unwanted side
>>> effects. (The option is deep within the finger pad device controls.)
>>
>> I think I found that deep well.  I turned stuff off but the damned thing
>> didn't listen to me.  Typical computer.
>>
>>>
>>> 2. I bought a mouse that connects via a USB port.
>>
>> I hate meeces.
>>
>> /BAH
>>
>
> Joy sticks also exist. No need to get catty. ;)

I've never used an electronic joy stick.

/BAH

On 2/11/2018 7:22 AM, JimP wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 20:33:13 -0400, Joy Beeson
> <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 09:49:32 -0600, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Pixie and Dixie. One was the cat the other the mouse.
>>
>> Pixie and Dixie were both mice.  The cat who hated meeces to pieces
>> was Jinks.
> 
> I knew I probably misremembered.
> 

"You ain't just whistlin' Dixie, Pixie!"

-- 
numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

On 2018-02-11, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 20:33:13 -0400, Joy Beeson
> <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 09:49:32 -0600, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Pixie and Dixie. One was the cat the other the mouse.
>>
>> Pixie and Dixie were both mice.  The cat who hated meeces to pieces
>> was Jinks.

Mr. Jinks to you.  :-)

> I knew I probably misremembered.

You might have been thinking of Tom and Jerry.

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On 11 Feb 2018 20:48:29 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:

>On 2018-02-11, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 20:33:13 -0400, Joy Beeson
>> <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 09:49:32 -0600, JimP <solo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pixie and Dixie. One was the cat the other the mouse.
>>>
>>> Pixie and Dixie were both mice.  The cat who hated meeces to pieces
>>> was Jinks.
>
>Mr. Jinks to you.  :-)
>
>> I knew I probably misremembered.
>
>You might have been thinking of Tom and Jerry.

No, I see Tom and Jerry on Boomerang, well, I skip them, but I
typically see the promo after Bugs Bunny's time on the channel is over
with befere I change channels.

I was going to note that, but I saw you had done so already.

I wondered if Mr. Jinks' first name was Hiram. A web search found no 
confirmation of that, but it turned up other interesting tidbits.

A 1913 movie, Fool Luck, starred Dave Coburn as a human character named Mr. Jinks.

And in the '50s, there was a forgotten TV series, based on a book 
by the author Paul Gallico, titled The Adventures of Hiram Holliday. It 
starred the well-known character actor Wally Cox.

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 8:49:04 AM UTC-7, jmfbahciv wrote:
> Andrew Swallow wrote:
> > On 09/02/2018 15:27, jmfbahciv wrote:

> >> I hate meeces.

> > Joy sticks also exist. No need to get catty. ;)

> I've never used an electronic joy stick.

1) I believe you.

2) You wouldn't use _that_ kind of joy stick to control a computer anyways.

3) As for the other kind of joystick, the ones I've seen had potentiometers in 
them, and hooked up to the game port on early IBM PCs. There are current gaming 
joysticks that look like a mouse, but I haven't used one of those. I have, 
however, tried a *trackball* as a substitute for a mouse. They're hard to find 
these days, though; not many people prefer them.

John Savard

Quadibloc wrote:
> On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 8:49:04 AM UTC-7, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> Andrew Swallow wrote:
>> > On 09/02/2018 15:27, jmfbahciv wrote:
>
>> >> I hate meeces.
>
>> > Joy sticks also exist. No need to get catty. ;)
>
>> I've never used an electronic joy stick.
>
> 1) I believe you.
>
> 2) You wouldn't use _that_ kind of joy stick to control a computer anyways.
>
> 3) As for the other kind of joystick, the ones I've seen had potentiometers
in
> them, and hooked up to the game port on early IBM PCs. There are current
gaming
> joysticks that look like a mouse, but I haven't used one of those. I have,
> however, tried a *trackball* as a substitute for a mouse. They're hard to
find
> these days, though; not many people prefer them.

I used trackballs instead of mice.  If I was stuck with a mouse, I
would turn it upsidedown and use it as a track ball.

/BAH

Quadibloc wrote:
> I was going to note that, but I saw you had done so already.
>
> I wondered if Mr. Jinks' first name was Hiram. A web search found no
> confirmation of that, but it turned up other interesting tidbits.
>
> A 1913 movie, Fool Luck, starred Dave Coburn as a human character named Mr.
Jinks.
>
> And in the '50s, there was a forgotten TV series, based on a book
> by the author Paul Gallico, titled The Adventures of Hiram Holliday. It
> starred the well-known character actor Wally Cox.

I never heard of that TV show.  I liked all of Gallico's books.

/BAH

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:53:12 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 8:49:04 AM UTC-7, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> Andrew Swallow wrote:
>> > On 09/02/2018 15:27, jmfbahciv wrote:
>
>> >> I hate meeces.
>
>> > Joy sticks also exist. No need to get catty. ;)
>
>> I've never used an electronic joy stick.
>
>1) I believe you.
>
>2) You wouldn't use _that_ kind of joy stick to control a computer anyways.
>
>3) As for the other kind of joystick, the ones I've seen had potentiometers in 
>them, and hooked up to the game port on early IBM PCs. There are current gaming 
>joysticks that look like a mouse, but I haven't used one of those. I have, 
>however, tried a *trackball* as a substitute for a mouse. They're hard to find 
>these days, though; not many people prefer them.
>
>John Savard

I remember when track balls were all the rage, better than a joy stick
some said.

JimP <solo...@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:53:12 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 8:49:04 AM UTC-7, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>> Andrew Swallow wrote:
>>> > On 09/02/2018 15:27, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>
>>> >> I hate meeces.
>>
>>> > Joy sticks also exist. No need to get catty. ;)
>>
>>> I've never used an electronic joy stick.
>>
>>1) I believe you.
>>
>>2) You wouldn't use _that_ kind of joy stick to control a computer anyways.
>>
>>3) As for the other kind of joystick, the ones I've seen had potentiometers in 
>>them, and hooked up to the game port on early IBM PCs. There are current gaming 
>>joysticks that look like a mouse, but I haven't used one of those. I have, 
>>however, tried a *trackball* as a substitute for a mouse. They're hard to find 
>>these days, though; not many people prefer them.
>>
>>John Savard
>
> I remember when track balls were all the rage, better than a joy stick
> some said.

Trackballs rule if you're playing Centipede.

Otherwise, I have one, didn't find it very useful for regular pointer
manipulation.

-- 
Dan Espen

On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 11:12:17 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>JimP <solo...@gmail.com> writes:

[snip]

>> I remember when track balls were all the rage, better than a joy stick
>> some said.

     And green monochrome monitors were supposedly better than white.
Then, it was amber.

>Trackballs rule if you're playing Centipede.

     At the time, there was a 2-player football arcade game with
trackballs.  Lots of hand motion during plays!

>Otherwise, I have one, didn't find it very useful for regular pointer
>manipulation.

     ISTM it would have the same awkwardness as a trackpad.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On 2018-02-13, Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> JimP <solo...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I remember when track balls were all the rage, better than a joy stick
>> some said.
>
> Trackballs rule if you're playing Centipede.
>
> Otherwise, I have one, didn't find it very useful for regular pointer
> manipulation.

My wireless keyboard has a little trackball built in.
It works reasonably well.  It talks to the machine that
I have in the living room, plugged into the TV, and I
use it from my lap, where a mouse would be inconvenient.

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On 13 Feb 2018 14:39:01 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:

> If I was stuck with a mouse, I
> would turn it upsidedown and use it as a track ball.

I just tried that.  All I got was a flashing red light on the wall.

-- 
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 8:54:15 PM UTC-7, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On 13 Feb 2018 14:39:01 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:

> > If I was stuck with a mouse, I
> > would turn it upsidedown and use it as a track ball.

> I just tried that.  All I got was a flashing red light on the wall.

Presumably, the mouse she got stuck with wasn't optical.

John Savard

On 14/02/2018 04:20, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 8:54:15 PM UTC-7, Joy Beeson wrote:
>> On 13 Feb 2018 14:39:01 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
> 
>>> If I was stuck with a mouse, I
>>> would turn it upsidedown and use it as a track ball.
> 
>> I just tried that.  All I got was a flashing red light on the wall.
> 
> Presumably, the mouse she got stuck with wasn't optical.

This brings home how much comples technology is available
nowadays for only a few pence after auto assembly by
pick and place machines, as opposed to the expensivemechanical
assembly needed for a roller ball mouse.

My guess is that the optical mouse takes a succession of
photographs and then by comparing the pixels of successive
frames calculates the distance and direction travelled.

Presumably a DSP in addition to a CCD device. possibly
more computing power that went to the Moon with the
Apollo landings?

Quadibloc wrote:

> Joy Beeson wrote:
>
>> jmfbahciv wrote:
> 
>>> If I was stuck with a mouse, I would turn it upsidedown and use
>>> it as a track ball.
> 
>> I just tried that.  All I got was a flashing red light on the wall.
> 
> Presumably, the mouse she got stuck with wasn't optical.

Usually turning a mechanical mouse upside down causes the ball to drop 
away from the rollers connected to the rotary encoders ...

Joy Beeson wrote:
> On 13 Feb 2018 14:39:01 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> If I was stuck with a mouse, I
>> would turn it upsidedown and use it as a track ball.
>
> I just tried that.  All I got was a flashing red light on the wall.
>
Kewl :-)  I've never used an optical mouse.  Does it work if
you keep it upright and move the ball with your finger underneath?

/BAH

On 14 Feb 2018 14:41:59 GMT
jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:

> Joy Beeson wrote:
> > On 13 Feb 2018 14:39:01 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If I was stuck with a mouse, I
> >> would turn it upsidedown and use it as a track ball.
> >
> > I just tried that.  All I got was a flashing red light on the wall.
> >
> Kewl :-)  I've never used an optical mouse.  Does it work if
> you keep it upright and move the ball with your finger underneath?

	There's no ball in a modern mouse.

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On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 11:12:17 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> JimP <solo...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> I remember when track balls were all the rage, better than a joy stick
>> some said.
>
> Trackballs rule if you're playing Centipede.
>
> Otherwise, I have one, didn't find it very useful for regular pointer
> manipulation.

I use trackballs all the time - the Logitech M570 model.  The thumb
operates the ball, 3 buttons and a scroll wheel. Perfectly good
for general purpose pointer manipulation.

-- 
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"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
   - Douglas Adams

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> There's no ball in a modern mouse.

And the illumination is infra-red rather than visible on many of them 
now, so it copes better with use on glass tables.  It's surprising how 
well they can "see" using blank A4 paper as a mousemat.

Indeed, an optical mouse has no ball, and so the wording was at least ambiguous.

On the subject of different kinds of mouse, does anyone remember the 
mechanical mouse from Honeywell with two conical wheels instead of a ball?

Looking it up, I found that one Mr. Hawley at DEC originally designed it.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:09:53 -0600
Andy Leighton <an...@azaal.plus.com> wrote:
 
> I use trackballs all the time - the Logitech M570 model.  The thumb
> operates the ball, 3 buttons and a scroll wheel. Perfectly good
> for general purpose pointer manipulation.
> 
You forgot two of the buttons.   :-)

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:29:14 +0000, Rob Morley <nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:09:53 -0600
> Andy Leighton <an...@azaal.plus.com> wrote:
>  
>> I use trackballs all the time - the Logitech M570 model.  The thumb
>> operates the ball, 3 buttons and a scroll wheel. Perfectly good
>> for general purpose pointer manipulation.
>> 
> You forgot two of the buttons.   :-)

Yep. I never use those little buttons for anything. 

-- 
Andy Leighton => an...@azaal.plus.com
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
   - Douglas Adams

On 14 Feb 2018 14:41:59 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:

> Does it work if
> you keep it upright and move the ball with your finger underneath?

Nope, but it makes an excellent flashlight when I'm typing in the dark
and need to press an individual key.

-- 
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On 14 Feb 2018 14:41:59 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:

>Joy Beeson wrote:
>> On 13 Feb 2018 14:39:01 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If I was stuck with a mouse, I
>>> would turn it upsidedown and use it as a track ball.
>>
>> I just tried that.  All I got was a flashing red light on the wall.
>>
>Kewl :-)  I've never used an optical mouse.  Does it work if
>you keep it upright and move the ball with your finger underneath?

There's no ball.  Just a little hole in the bottom which may or may
not have a visible light shining through (some seem to be infrared).
>
>/BAH

Joy Beeson wrote:
> On 14 Feb 2018 14:41:59 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Does it work if
>> you keep it upright and move the ball with your finger underneath?
>
> Nope, but it makes an excellent flashlight when I'm typing in the dark
> and need to press an individual key.
>
ROTFLMAO.

/BAH