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On 23/01/2018 23:21, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
> Hardly.
> 
> Free thinking creativity is not in the mindset of the squaddie.

For front line troops whose job is to run headlong into gunfire may 
require blind obedience but the other armed forces, particularly those 
who operate in a support role then there are a lot of clever, innovative 
people out there.

One of my personal heroes was a rear admiral in the US navy and was the 
oldest serving woman in the US Navy at one time, Grace Hopper. There is 
no way on earth you could say that she was not a free thinking creative.

Andy

AndyW <An...@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
> On 23/01/2018 23:21, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>> Hardly.
>> 
>> Free thinking creativity is not in the mindset of the squaddie.
> 
> For front line troops whose job is to run headlong into gunfire may 
> require blind obedience but the other armed forces, particularly those 
> who operate in a support role then there are a lot of clever, innovative 
> people out there.

These days, I understand, there's no more "running headlong into gunfire"
except in special circumstances. WW I days of massed attacks are long gone.
Troops are expected to think for themselves.

> 
> One of my personal heroes was a rear admiral in the US navy and was the 
> oldest serving woman in the US Navy at one time, Grace Hopper. There is 
> no way on earth you could say that she was not a free thinking creative.
> 
> Andy
> 



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On 24/01/2018 14:22, Peter Flass wrote:
> AndyW <An...@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
>> On 23/01/2018 23:21, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>>> Hardly.
>>>
>>> Free thinking creativity is not in the mindset of the squaddie.
>>
>> For front line troops whose job is to run headlong into gunfire may
>> require blind obedience but the other armed forces, particularly those
>> who operate in a support role then there are a lot of clever, innovative
>> people out there.
> 
> These days, I understand, there's no more "running headlong into gunfire"
> except in special circumstances. WW I days of massed attacks are long gone.
> Troops are expected to think for themselves.


Without suggesting modern service men/women are any less brave / 
committed than in previous times (some of the citations for awards etc 
from recent conflicts should dispel any notation they are), the demands 
placed on them in other ways- including dealing with technology- is far 
greater than in previous times.

While some may think the service men/women are all just 'operators', 
nothing could be further from the truth. Taking software in particular- 
the RAF had teams to support aircraft systems I know of. ('Mission 
Software' is updated to add new features, reflect changes in roles, fix 
problems...The scale of the update varies.). Plus they had people 
'embedded' in contractor teams working on other software, teams may work 
in parallel on different upgrades if several are scheduled etc.  This 
was true of more than one company. I doubt the system has changed, even 
if the aircraft have.




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On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 08:16:48 +0000, AndyW <An...@nojunqmail.com> wrote:

>On 23/01/2018 23:21, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>> Hardly.
>> 
>> Free thinking creativity is not in the mindset of the squaddie.
>
>For front line troops whose job is to run headlong into gunfire may 
>require blind obedience but the other armed forces, particularly those 
>who operate in a support role then there are a lot of clever, innovative 
>people out there.

I disagree. Patton said it something like, 'you shouldn't be dieing
for your country, make the other military die for his country.

>One of my personal heroes was a rear admiral in the US navy and was the 
>oldest serving woman in the US Navy at one time, Grace Hopper. There is 
>no way on earth you could say that she was not a free thinking creative.

Darn right.

On 1/24/2018 2:16 AM, AndyW wrote:
> On 23/01/2018 23:21, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>> Hardly.
>>
>> Free thinking creativity is not in the mindset of the squaddie.
> 
> For front line troops whose job is to run headlong into gunfire may 
> require blind obedience but the other armed forces, particularly those 
> who operate in a support role then there are a lot of clever, 
> innovative people out there.
> 
> One of my personal heroes was a rear admiral in the US navy and was 
> the oldest serving woman in the US Navy at one time, Grace Hopper. 
> There is no way on earth you could say that she was not a free 
> thinking creative.

I'm not sure anyone has ever characterized Grace. Hopper as a 
"squaddie" before.

On 24/01/2018 20:23, Dave Garland wrote:
> On 1/24/2018 2:16 AM, AndyW wrote:
>> On 23/01/2018 23:21, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>>> Hardly.
>>>
>>> Free thinking creativity is not in the mindset of the squaddie.
>>
>> For front line troops whose job is to run headlong into gunfire may 
>> require blind obedience but the other armed forces, particularly those 
>> who operate in a support role then there are a lot of clever, 
>> innovative people out there.
>>
>> One of my personal heroes was a rear admiral in the US navy and was 
>> the oldest serving woman in the US Navy at one time, Grace Hopper. 
>> There is no way on earth you could say that she was not a free 
>> thinking creative.
> 
> I'm not sure anyone has ever characterized Grace. Hopper as a "squaddie" 
> before.

Rank is only a way of disguising lavatory cleaner or teaboy
when it comes to squaddies whether land, sea or air based,
all of them disreputable for existing to kill their fellow man
or to aid and abet such killing.

At one time, Brit, for example, did not have a standing army and
there is no justification for its existence today.

Such armed farces are irrelevant to the societal problem of
today which is the Islamic jihadist.

On 24/01/2018 20:23, Dave Garland wrote:
> On 1/24/2018 2:16 AM, AndyW wrote:
>> On 23/01/2018 23:21, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>>> Hardly.
>>>
>>> Free thinking creativity is not in the mindset of the squaddie.
>>
>> For front line troops whose job is to run headlong into gunfire may 
>> require blind obedience but the other armed forces, particularly those 
>> who operate in a support role then there are a lot of clever, 
>> innovative people out there.
>>
>> One of my personal heroes was a rear admiral in the US navy and was 
>> the oldest serving woman in the US Navy at one time, Grace Hopper. 
>> There is no way on earth you could say that she was not a free 
>> thinking creative.
> 
> I'm not sure anyone has ever characterized Grace. Hopper as a "squaddie" 
> before.

True however at some point she would have drilled, scrubbed floors and 
made a tight bed.

Andy

On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:04 +0000, AndyW <An...@nojunqmail.com> wrote:

>On 24/01/2018 20:23, Dave Garland wrote:

[snip]

>> I'm not sure anyone has ever characterized Grace. Hopper as a "squaddie" 
>> before.
>
>True however at some point she would have drilled, scrubbed floors and 
>made a tight bed.

     Maybe not.  She had a doctorate in math, and that is how she got
in.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:04 +0000, AndyW <An...@nojunqmail.com> wrote:

>On 24/01/2018 20:23, Dave Garland wrote:
>> On 1/24/2018 2:16 AM, AndyW wrote:
>>> On 23/01/2018 23:21, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
>>>> Hardly.
>>>>
>>>> Free thinking creativity is not in the mindset of the squaddie.
>>>
>>> For front line troops whose job is to run headlong into gunfire may 
>>> require blind obedience but the other armed forces, particularly those 
>>> who operate in a support role then there are a lot of clever, 
>>> innovative people out there.
>>>
>>> One of my personal heroes was a rear admiral in the US navy and was 
>>> the oldest serving woman in the US Navy at one time, Grace Hopper. 
>>> There is no way on earth you could say that she was not a free 
>>> thinking creative.
>> 
>> I'm not sure anyone has ever characterized Grace. Hopper as a "squaddie" 
>> before.
>
>True however at some point she would have drilled, scrubbed floors and 
>made a tight bed.

For however long the OCS at Smith College ran.  However in general
officers don't scrub floors and nobody much cares what their bunks
look like.

On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 12:13:03 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <ge...@telus.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:38:04 +0000, AndyW <An...@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 24/01/2018 20:23, Dave Garland wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>> I'm not sure anyone has ever characterized Grace. Hopper as a "squaddie" 
>>> before.
>>
>>True however at some point she would have drilled, scrubbed floors and 
>>made a tight bed.
>
>     Maybe not.  She had a doctorate in math, and that is how she got
>in.

Actually that was what almost kept her out.  They wanted her to stay
in her teaching position.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 19:14:29 GMT, Brian Reay <no...@m.com> 
wrote:

> On 24/01/2018 14:22, Peter Flass wrote:
>> AndyW <An...@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 23/01/2018 23:21, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
 

Nice to see Brian and Gareth getting on; let's hope the NY 
resolutions last.

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