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On 2018-01-23, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-01-23, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, January 20, 2018 at 8:48:47 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote:
>>
>>> There were also short films on tv, 'Industry on Parade'. The intro was
>>> lots of factories belching smoke and fumes.
>>
>> Until the 1960s, factories belching smoke were seen as a positive
>> thing--frequently shown in illustrations (even a 1940s IBM tab ad.)
>
> "Where there's smoke, there's work!"  -- Firesign Theatre
>
>> Then air pollution became a concern and attitudes changed.
>>
>> Steam locomotives were often depicted as billowing black smoke.
>> In reality, railroads disliked that because black smoke meant
>> the coal wasn't being burned efficiently.  A clear stack was
>> better--better combustion.
>
> I inherited a photo from my father (a long-time railroad man)
> of a train with three serially-coupled steam locomotives working
> its way up the steep grade into the Crownest Pass.  It's an
> amazing shot - the way smoke is blasting out of those stacks
> you can almost feel the ground shake.  Apparently my father
> saw the photo in a magazine and tracked down the photographer
> so he could get a print from the original negative.
>


once again, youtube, with a video of the Wabash Cannonball, sung, I
think, by J.Cash. Two engines, spouting black smoke, pulling a train
somewhere out West US. The change from coal to diesel, changed the
taste of wines from vineyards near railways in france.

-- 
greymaus.ireland.ie
Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man

ma...@mail.com writes:

> On 2018-01-23, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2018-01-23, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, January 20, 2018 at 8:48:47 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote:
>>>
>>>> There were also short films on tv, 'Industry on Parade'. The intro was
>>>> lots of factories belching smoke and fumes.
>>>
>>> Until the 1960s, factories belching smoke were seen as a positive
>>> thing--frequently shown in illustrations (even a 1940s IBM tab ad.)
>>
>> "Where there's smoke, there's work!"  -- Firesign Theatre
>>
>>> Then air pollution became a concern and attitudes changed.
>>>
>>> Steam locomotives were often depicted as billowing black smoke.
>>> In reality, railroads disliked that because black smoke meant
>>> the coal wasn't being burned efficiently.  A clear stack was
>>> better--better combustion.
>>
>> I inherited a photo from my father (a long-time railroad man)
>> of a train with three serially-coupled steam locomotives working
>> its way up the steep grade into the Crownest Pass.  It's an
>> amazing shot - the way smoke is blasting out of those stacks
>> you can almost feel the ground shake.  Apparently my father
>> saw the photo in a magazine and tracked down the photographer
>> so he could get a print from the original negative.
>>
>
>
> once again, youtube, with a video of the Wabash Cannonball, sung, I
> think, by J.Cash. Two engines, spouting black smoke, pulling a train
> somewhere out West US. The change from coal to diesel, changed the
> taste of wines from vineyards near railways in france.

Check youtube for Guy Clark, singing "Texas, 1947", for the romance of
the diesel-electric.

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On 24 Jan 2018 08:54:31 GMT, ma...@mail.com wrote:

[snip]

>once again, youtube, with a video of the Wabash Cannonball, sung, I
>think, by J.Cash. Two engines, spouting black smoke, pulling a train
>somewhere out West US. The change from coal to diesel, changed the
>taste of wines from vineyards near railways in france.

     For the better or worse?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On 24 Jan 2018 08:54:31 GMT, ma...@mail.com wrote:

>On 2018-01-23, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2018-01-23, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com <hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, January 20, 2018 at 8:48:47 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote:
>>>
>>>> There were also short films on tv, 'Industry on Parade'. The intro was
>>>> lots of factories belching smoke and fumes.
>>>
>>> Until the 1960s, factories belching smoke were seen as a positive
>>> thing--frequently shown in illustrations (even a 1940s IBM tab ad.)
>>
>> "Where there's smoke, there's work!"  -- Firesign Theatre
>>
>>> Then air pollution became a concern and attitudes changed.
>>>
>>> Steam locomotives were often depicted as billowing black smoke.
>>> In reality, railroads disliked that because black smoke meant
>>> the coal wasn't being burned efficiently.  A clear stack was
>>> better--better combustion.
>>
>> I inherited a photo from my father (a long-time railroad man)
>> of a train with three serially-coupled steam locomotives working
>> its way up the steep grade into the Crownest Pass.  It's an
>> amazing shot - the way smoke is blasting out of those stacks
>> you can almost feel the ground shake.  Apparently my father
>> saw the photo in a magazine and tracked down the photographer
>> so he could get a print from the original negative.
>>
>
>
>once again, youtube, with a video of the Wabash Cannonball, sung, I
>think, by J.Cash. Two engines, spouting black smoke, pulling a train
>somewhere out West US. The change from coal to diesel, changed the
>taste of wines from vineyards near railways in france.

One of my great uncles was a brakeman on a railroad when they still
ran along the tops of the freight cars, and he died from black lung
from the coal dust coming out of the stack on the engine.

On 2018-01-24, Gene Wirchenko <ge...@telus.net> wrote:
> On 24 Jan 2018 08:54:31 GMT, ma...@mail.com wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>once again, youtube, with a video of the Wabash Cannonball, sung, I
>>think, by J.Cash. Two engines, spouting black smoke, pulling a train
>>somewhere out West US. The change from coal to diesel, changed the
>>taste of wines from vineyards near railways in france.
>
>      For the better or worse?

Dunno, I am a lager man myself, or used to be, There was a stort that
moths under railway bridges had evolved to be a darker colorm and
reevolved to white after diesel. 
>
> Gene Wirchenko


-- 
greymaus.ireland.ie
Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man

On 24 Jan 2018 20:02:39 GMT, ma...@mail.com wrote:

>On 2018-01-24, Gene Wirchenko <ge...@telus.net> wrote:
>> On 24 Jan 2018 08:54:31 GMT, ma...@mail.com wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>once again, youtube, with a video of the Wabash Cannonball, sung, I
>>>think, by J.Cash. Two engines, spouting black smoke, pulling a train
>>>somewhere out West US. The change from coal to diesel, changed the
>>>taste of wines from vineyards near railways in france.
>>
>>      For the better or worse?
>
>Dunno, I am a lager man myself, or used to be, There was a stort that
>moths under railway bridges had evolved to be a darker colorm and
>reevolved to white after diesel. 

Moths on trees in the US northeast. Coal use went away, dark moths
became more easily seen by birds. Moths that were closer in color to
the tree bark, less so.

On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 7:18:03 PM UTC-5, han...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 20, 2018 at 8:48:47 PM UTC-5, JimP wrote:
> 
> > There were also short films on tv, 'Industry on Parade'. The intro was
> > lots of factories belching smoke and fumes.
> 
> Until the 1960s, factories belching smoke were seen as a positive
> thing--frequently shown in illustrations (even a 1940s IBM tab ad.)
> Then air pollution became a concern and attitudes changed.

Where there's smoke, there's work.