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hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania wants IBM to pay for a failed
> computer system.  Detailed article at:
> http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/pa-wants-160m-back-ibm-re
form-it-procurement-20171214.html
>
> Note--employees from the state say the state ordered numerous
> change orders to the system, and feel the state is at fault,
> not IBM.  Pennsylvania had a lot of problems with its unemployment
> compensation offices.
>
I wonder if PA hired the same people to code the system as Michigan
did.

/BAH

On 2017-12-27, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:

> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania wants IBM to pay for a failed
>> computer system.  Detailed article at:
>> http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/pa-wants-160m-back-ibm-reform-it-procurement-20171214.html
>>
>> Note--employees from the state say the state ordered numerous
>> change orders to the system, and feel the state is at fault,
>> not IBM.  Pennsylvania had a lot of problems with its unemployment
>> compensation offices.
>
> I wonder if PA hired the same people to code the system as Michigan
> did.

That's not necessary.  Governments everywhere - at all levels -
have a talent for creating IT disasters.

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On 2017-12-28, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-12-27, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania wants IBM to pay for a failed
>>> computer system.  Detailed article at:
>>> http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/pa-wants-160m-back-ibm-reform-it-procurement-20171214.html
>>>
>>> Note--employees from the state say the state ordered numerous
>>> change orders to the system, and feel the state is at fault,
>>> not IBM.  Pennsylvania had a lot of problems with its unemployment
>>> compensation offices.
>>
>> I wonder if PA hired the same people to code the system as Michigan
>> did.
>
> That's not necessary.  Governments everywhere - at all levels -
> have a talent for creating IT disasters.
>


Thats because the people who get those sort of jobs are not really I.T.
people, they are getting-government-jobs people. 

-- 
greymaus.ireland.ie
Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man

On 2017-12-28, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-12-28, maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
>> On 2017-12-28, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2017-12-27, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania wants IBM to pay for a failed
>>>>> computer system.  Detailed article at:
>>>>> http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/pa-wants-160m-back-ibm-reform-it-procurement-20171214.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Note--employees from the state say the state ordered numerous
>>>>> change orders to the system, and feel the state is at fault,
>>>>> not IBM.  Pennsylvania had a lot of problems with its unemployment
>>>>> compensation offices.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if PA hired the same people to code the system as Michigan
>>>> did.
>>>
>>> That's not necessary.  Governments everywhere - at all levels -
>>> have a talent for creating IT disasters.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thats because the people who get those sort of jobs are not really I.T.
>> people, they are getting-government-jobs people. 
>
> I know some of the people who work on Government IT projects. They're
> no different to people who work on commercial projects. Hell, I've done
> a tiny bit of consulting to Government, myself. What is different is
> the employer, who believes that the impossible can be achieved "because
> we're the Government".
>


I could name names, but I am sure that my thin veil of anonymity would
soon be ripped apart, and i would be sued. Lets say that some of them
are crap.

-- 
greymaus.ireland.ie
Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man

On 12/28/2017 3:01 AM, maus wrote:
> On 2017-12-28, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2017-12-27, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania wants IBM to pay for a failed
>>>> computer system.  Detailed article at:
>>>> http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/pa-wants-160m-back-ibm-reform-it-procurement-20171214.html
>>>>
>>>> Note--employees from the state say the state ordered numerous
>>>> change orders to the system, and feel the state is at fault,
>>>> not IBM.  Pennsylvania had a lot of problems with its unemployment
>>>> compensation offices.
>>>
>>> I wonder if PA hired the same people to code the system as Michigan
>>> did.
>>
>> That's not necessary.  Governments everywhere - at all levels -
>> have a talent for creating IT disasters.
>>
> 
> 
> Thats because the people who get those sort of jobs are not really I.T.
> people, they are getting-government-jobs people.
> 

This is a big reason Grace Hopper was so valuable to the Navy!  She 
could whip the IT processing into shape!!!

-- 
numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

On 12/28/2017 9:37 AM, Huge wrote:
> On 2017-12-28, maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
>> On 2017-12-28, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2017-12-28, maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2017-12-28, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2017-12-27, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania wants IBM to pay for a failed
>>>>>>> computer system.  Detailed article at:
>>>>>>> http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/pa-wants-160m-back-ibm-reform-it-procurement-20171214.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note--employees from the state say the state ordered numerous
>>>>>>> change orders to the system, and feel the state is at fault,
>>>>>>> not IBM.  Pennsylvania had a lot of problems with its unemployment
>>>>>>> compensation offices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if PA hired the same people to code the system as Michigan
>>>>>> did.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not necessary.  Governments everywhere - at all levels -
>>>>> have a talent for creating IT disasters.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thats because the people who get those sort of jobs are not really I.T.
>>>> people, they are getting-government-jobs people.
>>>
>>> I know some of the people who work on Government IT projects. They're
>>> no different to people who work on commercial projects. Hell, I've done
>>> a tiny bit of consulting to Government, myself. What is different is
>>> the employer, who believes that the impossible can be achieved "because
>>> we're the Government".
>>>
>>
>>
>> I could name names, but I am sure that my thin veil of anonymity would
>> soon be ripped apart, and i would be sued. Lets say that some of them
>> are crap.
> 
> There are crap people everywhere.
> 
> 

Sturgeon's law:  Ninety percent of everything is crap.

-- 
numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

On 12/28/2017 11:00 AM, Huge wrote:
> On 2017-12-28, Charles Richmond <nume...@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>> On 12/28/2017 9:37 AM, Huge wrote:
>>> On 2017-12-28, maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:
> 
> [34 lines snipped]
> 
>>>> I could name names, but I am sure that my thin veil of anonymity would
>>>> soon be ripped apart, and i would be sued. Lets say that some of them
>>>> are crap.
>>>
>>> There are crap people everywhere.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sturgeon's law:  Ninety percent of everything is crap.
> 
> I've often wondered if this is recursive.
> 
> 

Maybe recursive only in the sense that you curse once... and then you 
curse again!  ;-)

-- 
numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

Charles Richmond wrote:
> On 12/28/2017 3:01 AM, maus wrote:
>> On 2017-12-28, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2017-12-27, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania wants IBM to pay for a failed
>>>>> computer system.  Detailed article at:
>>>>> http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/pa-wants-160m-back-ib
m-reform-it-procurement-20171214.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Note--employees from the state say the state ordered numerous
>>>>> change orders to the system, and feel the state is at fault,
>>>>> not IBM.  Pennsylvania had a lot of problems with its unemployment
>>>>> compensation offices.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if PA hired the same people to code the system as Michigan
>>>> did.
>>>
>>> That's not necessary.  Governments everywhere - at all levels -
>>> have a talent for creating IT disasters.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thats because the people who get those sort of jobs are not really I.T.
>> people, they are getting-government-jobs people.
>>
>
> This is a big reason Grace Hopper was so valuable to the Navy!  She
> could whip the IT processing into shape!!!

More importantly, she could whip the generals into shape; listen to her
story about her physical nanoseconds.

/BAH

On 28 Dec 2017 20:31:52 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

>On 2017-12-28, Charles Richmond <nume...@aquaporin4.com> wrote:

[snip]

>> Maybe recursive only in the sense that you curse once... and then you 
>> curse again!  ;-)
>
>Very apposite, given that I was trying to set up a fanless micro-PC at the
>same time as typing that. I'm surprised you couldn't hear the swearing Over
>There.

     Sorry, what was that?  My fan is too loud.

     (I actually have a fan on my desk.  It was not on, but the
straight line was too good.)

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 7:26:41 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> That's not necessary.  Governments everywhere - at all levels -
> have a talent for creating IT disasters.

As does private sector firms.

Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>On 2017-12-28, maus <ma...@mail.com> wrote:

>I know some of the people who work on Government IT projects. They're
>no different to people who work on commercial projects. Hell, I've done
>a tiny bit of consulting to Government, myself. What is different is
>the employer, who believes that the impossible can be achieved "because
>we're the Government".

And there are plentus examples of Private Companies making disasters,
Equifax comes to mind and the myrid companies who (corporations are 
people) who neglect the most rudimentary protections for customer data.

O yes, Delta Airlines IIRC had a major snafu in their reservation 
system.- 
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