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In article <900919072...@lilac.berkeley.edu> DLV@CUNYVMS1.BITNET writes:
>                     I've been playing with Russian hyphenation (indeed, my
>MA thesis was about a very good Liang-based algorithm for doing just that),
>and I've seen an algorithm (not mine:) that hyphenates, in particular,
>AC-PU. :)

	Speaking of which, does anybody have any decent Russian fonts? For the
current version of TeX there are some Russian TeX meta-fonts, but they're
not at all easy to use. In "old TeX" we used until recently there was a
Cyrillic font that used ligatures to "automatically" pick up the right
letters.  For example, "Khrushchev" came out 6 letters "KH-r-u-shch-e-v".

	Does anybody besides us actually use the Cyrillic Hershey fonts from
NBS in some sort of graphical system? (And yes, ours uses the ligatures!)
We have some contacts with Russian Geophysicists, and it's good PR when you're
trying to help them convince the Soviet Gov't to let you traipse around taking
rock samples in Siberia to annotate your tectonic maps of Siberia-Alaska in
Russian! [If anybody's interested, we have the old "Hershey font distribution"
on hanauma.stanford.edu's anon ftp.]
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In article <900919072...@lilac.berkeley.edu>, DLV@CUNYVMS1.BITNET writes:
> >       Talking about how-to-turn-off-machine I forgot to say
> >       that BESM has a software feature to block power turnoff
> >       (I think it's a quite valuable idea, especially for Unix
> >       machines; what's about self-turning-on machines? ;-).
> 
> i have seen such a unix machine---the off switch just started a software
> routine that does synch and then turns off the power via software.

Yup, the NeXT does this. You actually can initiate a power
off request by pushing the button, but it goes to
software, wich pops up a window and asks you "Are you
Sure? Unsaved changes will be lost." etc. It then runs
shutdown, and power cycles the machine.

Now if I only had time, I'd figure out how to bypass this
and get straight off.  :-)

> 
> we have a very old sun at gc (a unix), and once we accidentally turned it
> off while it was working, and it was a real pain to restart it. :( luckily,
> it wasn't my machine. :)

Actually, you;d have corrupted the file system, but fdsk
(the file system maintenace utility) is pretty smart and
the file system design has enough redundancy that you can
recover from this kind of failure if you don't panic. The
only real no-no is to ignore corrupted file system
messages and keep working. After that, you're on your own.


			- peterd

In article <22...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca>, pet...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Deutsch) writes:
.  .  .
> > we have a very old sun at gc (a unix), and once we accidentally turned it
> > off while it was working, and it was a real pain to restart it. :( luckily,
> > it wasn't my machine. :)
> 
> Actually, you;d have corrupted the file system, but fdsk
                                                     ^^^^

!!! Obviously, for those in the know, I meant to type
fsck. I have no idea what my fingers were thinking on this
one and they're not talking. Sorry for any confusion,
flames to /dev/null...

				- peterd

In article <22...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca> pet...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Deutsch) writes:
>In article <900919072...@lilac.berkeley.edu>, DLV@CUNYVMS1.BITNET writes:
>> >       Talking about how-to-turn-off-machine I forgot to say
>> >       that BESM has a software feature to block power turnoff
>> >       (I think it's a quite valuable idea, especially for Unix
>> >       machines; what's about self-turning-on machines? ;-).
>> 
>> i have seen such a unix machine---the off switch just started a software
>> routine that does synch and then turns off the power via software.
>
>Yup, the NeXT does this. You actually can initiate a power
>off request by pushing the button, but it goes to
>software, wich pops up a window and asks you "Are you
>Sure? Unsaved changes will be lost." etc. It then runs
>shutdown, and power cycles the machine.
>
>Now if I only had time, I'd figure out how to bypass this
>and get straight off.  :-)

Add the AT&T 3B2 to the list.  Its power 'off' switch is a software
interrupt at best.  If you really want the power off immediately,
you have to pull the plug.

-- 
Scott Amspoker
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM
(505) 345-5232
unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott

In article <22...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca> pet...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Deutsch) writes:
>Yup, the NeXT does this. You actually can initiate a power
>off request by pushing the button, but it goes to
>software, wich pops up a window and asks you "Are you
>Sure? Unsaved changes will be lost." etc. It then runs
>shutdown, and power cycles the machine.

Turn the fucker off at the surge protector -- I doubt it's computer controlled.
(You don't have a on/off surge protector?  Get one.)o

The big white (or black, or red, or...) function key is there for a reason.
:-)

--
J. Eric Townsend -- University of Houston Dept. of Mathematics (713) 749-2120
Internet: j...@uh.edu
Bitnet: jet@UHOU
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In article <10...@helens.Stanford.EDU> j...@hanauma.stanford.edu (Joe Dellinger) writes:
>	Does anybody besides us actually use the Cyrillic Hershey fonts from
>NBS in some sort of graphical system? (And yes, ours uses the ligatures!)

Yes, Professor Hershey does. :-)

Alan Hershey is (I think) a Professor Emeritus here at NPS.  I see him in the
halls here every once and a while.  He runs his graphic system on our ancient
IBM and plots the output on a Versatec plotter.  He does them up full plotter
width (24 inch, I believe) and then has them photoreduced. They look
beautiful.

							spl (the p stands for
							plotters?  Bleah!)
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Confuser Center / Code 51 / Naval Postgraduate School / Monterey, CA 93943
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				- Italo Calvino, _The Baron in the Trees_

In article <22...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca> pet...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Deutsch) writes:
|In article <900919072...@lilac.berkeley.edu>, DLV@CUNYVMS1.BITNET writes:
|> >       Talking about how-to-turn-off-machine I forgot to say
|> >       that BESM has a software feature to block power turnoff
|> >       (I think it's a quite valuable idea, especially for Unix
|> >       machines; what's about self-turning-on machines? ;-).
|> 
|> i have seen such a unix machine---the off switch just started a software
|> routine that does synch and then turns off the power via software.

First generation Apollo workstations did that in 1981.

James Thiele -- microsoft!jamesth

In article <57592@microsoft.UUCP>, jamesth@microsoft.UUCP (James THIELE) writes:
> In article <22...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca> pet...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Deutsch) writes:
> |In article <900919072...@lilac.berkeley.edu>, DLV@CUNYVMS1.BITNET writes:
> |> >       Talking about how-to-turn-off-machine I forgot to say
> |> >       that BESM has a software feature to block power turnoff
> |> >       (I think it's a quite valuable idea, especially for Unix
> |> >       machines; what's about self-turning-on machines? ;-).

Actually, I didn't pick up on this bit of the posting at
first, but the Vax 11/780 had a separate CPU monitor which
was able to initiate a reboot when it thought it
necessary (Sound of me banging my head aginst the side of
the monitor: "Whack! Whack!" Nope, sorry, I can't remember
what this thing was called. I'm sure to be told 137 times
by tomorrow night).

Anyways, I remember that power glitches (we get a LOT of
these here in Montreal) in our terminal room was always
fun. Imagine a ten second glitch. It looked like this"

The IBM mainframe 3270 terminals would "flash -
blink" and then go off until the machine could be IPL'ed.
"Go have coffe, gang!"

Our ASCII terminals plugged into our Masscomp's (GAWD!
THere was a piece of shit. Sorry, I don't star out the
'i', they were shit.) would blink and then scramble a few
characters, then go dead. Even hand starting them took at
_least_ an hour. If you were having a bad day,the fsck
would fail and the disk was probably gorfed for good.
Maybeit would be back before the IBM.

Our Vaxen would go "huh!?!" The machine would reset,
reboot and then fsck itself. It would recover and we could
do an "vi -r file" and go back to work. No wonder
everybody bought Vaxen. The competition was so awful.


Actually, someone pointed out to me today that the NeXTen
have serious problem with power outages. Their fsck will
probably clean things up okay, but just restoing power to
the box wont bring it back. Someone (or something) has to
physically push the "power" button before it will restart.
Sort of limits their use in mission critical apps! :-)


> |> i have seen such a unix machine---the off switch just started a software
> |> routine that does synch and then turns off the power via software.
> 
> First generation Apollo workstations did that in 1981.

Of course, I don't claim NeXT was first for much, just
that they've done a pretty good integration job. Pity
their marketing "sucks dead gophers through a garden
hose", to repeat someone else's colorful phrase.

In article <22...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca>, pet...@opus.cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Deutsch) writes:
> 
> Our Vaxen would go "huh!?!" The machine would reset,
> reboot and then fsck itself. It would recover and we could
> do an "vi -r file" and go back to work. No wonder
> everybody bought Vaxen. The competition was so awful.
> 

Actually, the best machine I ever used for handling power outages was a
PDP-8/e loaded with core. When the power flickered, the lights would blink
and the machine would just keep on going where it left off.

The -8/m loaded with MOS next to it would die and you had to toggle the
bootstrap back in (no biggie; the RK05 bootstrap is only two words long).
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In article <900919072...@lilac.berkeley.edu> DLV@CUNYVMS1.BITNET writes:
>(totally unrelated.) I've been playing with Russian hyphenation (indeed, my
>MA thesis was about a very good Liang-based algorithm for doing just that),
>and I've seen an algorithm (not mine:) that hyphenates, in particular,
>AC-PU. :) There's a Russian language newspaper in NYC, and whatever they use
>for hyphenation wasn't apparently meant for Russian: it breaks
>'zdr-awstwujte' and 'prof-essor', nor for English ('tha-nks'); (I've seen
>all of those in the paper). On the other hand, your Pravda breaks
>'perest-rojka' a lot, totally non-Russian. :)
>
>Of course, English (mis)hyphenations give rise to even funnier breaks. The
>NYTimes uses some really dumb hyphenation algorithm that breaks "gran-daunt"
>et al. This I've seen, but one can come up with cute examples, like
>"the-rapists pre-ached on wee-knights" (from the TeXbook) or "rear-range
>off-ending par-king", but this is made up. Who's seen really bad hyphenation
>breaks in real life publications? Post 'em up. :)
>
>D.V.


Dmitri - do either you or our new Soviet friends have a Russian word list
I could have?  I'm internationalizing (I know, everyone hates the word) my
Scrabble game.  I have physical Scrabble sets for several languages including
Russian, so I know how the display should be done; but no foreign word lists.
(Well, not true; I have a very sketchy French word list and an even sketchier
Scots Gaelic list)

If anyone can offer such a list with no major strings attached (like licensing
or *pay*ing ;-) ) I'ld be very grateful!

Regards,
   Graham Toal <gt...@ed.ac.uk>

PS Same applies to Deutsch, Nederlands, Italia, Espagnol, ...