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6 total messages Started by jo... John Shipman Sun, 29 Apr 1990 02:22
Re: cards
#2644
Author: jo... John Shipman
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 1990 02:22
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Jerry Hollombe, The Polymath (holl...@ttidca.TTI.COM) said:
+--
| Comments will slow down any interpreted language.
+--
Not true for HP/3000 BASIC.  The program is stored
in an encoded form, with links that allow the interpreter
to skip over non-executable statements.

-- 
John Shipman/Zoological Data Processing/Socorro, NM/jo...@jupiter.nmt.edu
``Let's go outside and commiserate with nature.''  --Dave Farber
Re: cards
#2645
Author: holl... The Polymath
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 1990 23:03
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In article <43...@nmtsun.nmt.edu> jo...@nmtsun.nmt.edu (John Shipman) writes:
}Jerry Hollombe, The Polymath (holl...@ttidca.TTI.COM) said:
}+--
}| Comments will slow down any interpreted language.
}+--
}Not true for HP/3000 BASIC.  The program is stored
}in an encoded form, with links that allow the interpreter
}to skip over non-executable statements.

Unless every line is linked this way, you're still being slowed down,
albeit trivially, to process the link.  If every line _is_ linked this
way, you're being slowed down as if every line is separated by a comment
whether it is or not.  Whether this is a good or bad thing is probably
open to debate (isn't everything?).

-- 
The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: holl...@ttidca.tti.com)
Citicorp(+)TTI                                    Illegitimis non
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Santa Monica, CA  90405 {csun | philabs | psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
Re: cards
#2646
Author: jo... John Shipman
Date: Tue, 01 May 1990 13:05
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Jerry Hollombe, The Polymath (holl...@ttidca.TTI.COM) said:
+--
| Comments will slow down any interpreted language.
+--

Then I said:
+--
| Not true for HP/3000 BASIC.  The program is stored
| in an encoded form, with links that allow the interpreter
| to skip over non-executable statements.
+--

Unfortunately, I was not sufficiently clear, so The Polymath said:
+--
| Unless every line is linked this way, you're still being slowed down,
| albeit trivially, to process the link.  If every line _is_ linked this
| way, you're being slowed down as if every line is separated by a comment
| whether it is or not.  Whether this is a good or bad thing is probably
| open to debate (isn't everything?).
+--

No, every line contains a link to the next executable statement.
So if LET statement 10 is followed by REM (comment) lines 20,
30, and 40, and LET statement 50, the link in line 10 points
to line 50.

A lot of trouble, but we wanted to make very sure that no one
had any excuses not to use comments.
-- 
John Shipman/Zoological Data Processing/Socorro, NM/jo...@jupiter.nmt.edu
``Let's go outside and commiserate with nature.''  --Dave Farber
Re: cards
#2647
Author: p... Peter Scott
Date: Tue, 01 May 1990 18:59
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The discussion about cards reminds me of a tale told by a lecturer at
Cambridge.  He had worked for IBM at some point (and was the most vocal
anti-IBM faculty member).  Anyway, a favorite theme of his was IBM's
staunch efforts at co-operation with the rest of the industry in producing
universal standards :-).  Once he said that they were in the midst of
standards negotiations on cards when they broke off the talks to introduce
the 96-column punched card.

I have never heard corroboration of this.  Anyone got more info?

This is news.  This is your       |    Peter Scott, NASA/JPL/Caltech
brain on news.  Any questions?    |    (p...@aristotle.jpl.nasa.gov)
Re: cards
#2648
Author: holl... The Polymath
Date: Wed, 02 May 1990 20:02
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In article <43...@nmtsun.nmt.edu> jo...@nmtsun.nmt.edu (John Shipman) writes:
}No, every line contains a link to the next executable statement.
}So if LET statement 10 is followed by REM (comment) lines 20,
}30, and 40, and LET statement 50, the link in line 10 points
}to line 50.
}
}A lot of trouble, but we wanted to make very sure that no one
}had any excuses not to use comments.

A good and worthy cause.  I like it (for whatever that's worth).  BASIC
programs generally need all the commenting they can get (and usually more
than they do get).

-- 
The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: holl...@ttidca.tti.com)
Citicorp(+)TTI                                    Illegitimis non
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (213) 450-9111, x2483       Carborundum
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {csun | philabs | psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
Re: cards
#2650
Author: pet... Peter Deutsch
Date: Fri, 04 May 1990 21:35
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In article <12...@ttidca.TTI.COM>, holl...@ttidca.TTI.COM (The Polymath) writes:
>.  .  .  .  .  .  .  Whether this is a good or bad thing is probably
> open to debate (isn't everything?).

No it's not!

(

> But, that isn't an argument. You're just disagreeing with
me.

< No I'm not!

> Yes, you are!

etc, etc, etc...   )



:-)


				- peterd


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