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On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:28:18 -0600, Charles Richmond
<nume...@aquaporin4.com> wrote:

>On 2/11/2018 11:06 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>> Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What commies have a presence in the North Atlantic these days?
>>>>
>>>> So now Russia is fascist instead. Of course, with Donald Trump, it looks
>>> like
>>>> history is repeating itself: while Communism led to a Red Scare right off
>>> the
>>>> bat, Mussolini and Hitler were not considered a threat by many in what is
>>>> sometimes termed "The Establishment", community, religious, and business
>>>> leaders; after all, they weren't stirring up trade union militancy or
>>> anything
>>>> troublesome like that.
>>>>
>>>> But by attacking Georgia and the Ukraine, as well as putting pressure on the
>>>> Baltic nations, make no mistake about it, Russia is seeking to undermine the
>>>> credibility of NATO so as to gain the power to intimidate their neighbors.
>>> And
>>>> this, quite properly, is a thing the United States should not begin to
>>>> countenance.
>>>
>>> Russia wants a seaport.
>> 
>> Like they don't already have a bunch:
>> 
>> Vladivostok.
>> Murmansk
>> St. Petersburg
>> NOvorossiysk
>> Sochi
>> 
>> Then there's Syria.
>> 
>
>Russia also swiped Konigsberg... in the Northwest corner of Poland...  a 
>Baltic Sea port.  The Russians call it Kaliningrad and the Kaliningrad 
>Oblast.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast

However none of these address the real issue, that they don't have an
ice-free Atlantic port that can't be easily closed by a potential
enemy.