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Article #210889Re: checking some myths.
From: Greg Pfister
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:14
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:14
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote: > > "Stephen Fuld" <s.f...@worldnet.att.net> writes: > > > > Since there have been lots of answers to number 1 and to you last paragraph, > > but none to number 2, I'll take a shot at it. I am far from an expert here, > > but AFAIK you nailed one of the reasons but there are others. > > > > Some people run VM so thy can run lots of CMS users ... > > > > Some people run VM so they can take advantage of modern hardware ... > > > > Many independent software vendors run it to allow them to support several > > versions of several different operating systems ... > ... An important additional case was that people inside IBM ran VM so they could more easily bring up the next version of the "strategic" operating system - e.g., MVS (now zOS). Possibly more than anything else, this ensured that VM would always be around. An amusing related story: A friend of mine, who used to work on VM in the mid-70s, particularly the Virtual Memory part (duelling acronyms here), was having trouble getting system time on new machines to bring up the latest version. The MVS (or whatever it was then) folks were hogging all available machines. So one night, he did a midnight anti-repair and sabotaged the system console. MVS wouldn't come up without it. VM didn't care; it could use anything able to do text I/O. Result: he got to put a version of VM on the system, as a "favor" so the MVS folks could continue work, using VM which provided a virtual console -- and he could use that hardware too, to bring up the next VM release. Related -- Once upon a time that same friend told me that you actually have to be able to do three levels of virtualization of memory to be general -- the top-level VM system just doing it is not enough; you have to be able to nest a VM system virtualizing what the top-level system is also virtualizing, and a third level below that. I never did understand why the third level was necessary, but this guy was very, very good and knew that code intimately, so he was probably right. (I knew that if I wanted long enough Lynn & Anne would fill in lots of the other answers to the original question. :-)) Greg Pfister
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