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Article #4039Re: Re: Feedback on Computer Crime - Apology
From: mo... Robert Mokry
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1990 18:24
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1990 18:24
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In article <1990Aug28.1...@athena.mit.edu> j...@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:
>In article <1990Aug28.1...@ctr.columbia.edu>, mo...@ctr.columbia.edu (Robert Mokry) writes:
> Remember "innocent until proven guilty?" If the defense states that the
>access to the machine was unintentional, and it is necessary for the access to
>have been intentional in order for a crime to have been committed, then it is
>up to the prosecution to prove that the access was intentional.
Simple proof: The prosecutor points to the witness box where a nerdy
boy is sitting and says, "This thing is a hacker, and he has a
computer, and his computer dialed up another computer, and we all know
computers don't make mistakes."
The prosecutor doesn't need to make any strictly logical sense; he or she
must just convince the judge or jury.
>|> >3) Connecting to the wrong node was a genuine mistake,
>|> > which you corrected by typing ^D.
>|>
>|> What sort of statement is ^D? Try explaining that to the judge.
>
> This is a red herring. If the judge is incapable of understanding the
>relatively simple principles involved ("There is a standard character which is
>used to signal to the other end of a remote connection that you wish to
>disconnect from that connection. The defendant typed that character as soon
>as he realized that he had connected to the wrong machine, and his connection
>was ended.")
Is it really a standard character? It may be standard in Unix, but what
about other systems? Why not use ^C? What if a login program on a
non-Unix computer gets confused and crashes when it gets ^D, letting the
person on the system? And what if the person knows that this is the case?
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Path: mbox-mo1.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!wuarchive!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!mokry From: mo...@ctr.columbia.edu (Robert Mokry) Newsgroups: alt.security,alt.folklore.computers,comp.society.futures Subject: Re: Re: Feedback on Computer Crime - Apology Message-ID: <1990Aug28.182451.11662@ctr.columbia.edu> Date: 28 Aug 90 18:24:51 GMT References: <1990Aug27.194144.10910@cbnewsl.att.com> <1990Aug28.161459.11497@ctr.columbia.edu> <1990Aug28.174333.22132@athena.mit.edu> Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research Lines: 31 Posted: Tue Aug 28 19:24:51 1990 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit