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In soc.culture.jewish Yaakov Menken <men...@torah.org> wrote:

: In codes research, we are dealing with a similar situation: 1) The
: credibility of serious codes research will be compromised by amateurs
: whose "discoveries" are scientifically meaningless 2) People will
: exploit the Torah to present all kinds of counterfeit proofs, by
: finding "hidden messages", that bolster their ideology.

: We have a very important and valuable phenomenon that has been
: discovered. It's a scientific discovery that can really help us get a
: better understanding of the nature of our existence. Rather than have
: it watered down with people's personal exploitation or
: misunderstanding, we should be investing more in serious research and
: understanding of the phenomenon.

	Here is my proposition: The ability of a text to have predictive
value goes hand-in-hand with statistical relevancy. If I cannot look at a
text *before* an event, and find statistically meaningful and relevant
information with predictive value, then there can be no statistically
relevant "investigation" of such text after the fact to find hidden
meanings. Not with any degree of intellectual honesty.

	For any given searched term, any search in text near that term
must have equal information and meaning both before and after the event. 
If I search for "Yitzchak Rabin" and see "Assassin who will assassinate",
but I do not spot anything else relevant before the assassination, I
should *not* be able to look at the text after the event has happened, and
find "Amir" in there, equidistant or not. 

	On the other hand, if I see Rabin, and I see Assassin, and I then
say to myself : "Self, let's see if the name of the person is here". And
then I look. If I then find, say, 200 different Hebrew names, and conclude
that there are so many present that there's nothing useful (i.e. your
statement about "cannot predict") then THE EXACT SAME FORCE OF STATISTICS
prevents me from going and looking after Rabin is killed, and finding the
name "Amir" and saying "Hey, look, something relevant, but I couldn't
figure it out before". No way. If I can't figure it out before as
something statistically relevant, then I should not be able to honestly
"find" it afterwards. 

	If there's no predictive value, there is no statistically
meaningful "afer-the-fact" related information.	

: I myself as the original researcher of the phenomenon of Torah codes,
: investigated thoroughly the question of predicting the future. I
: reached the conclusion that it is impossible. I saw this through
: experimentation and also as a simple point of logic. There are several
: reasons why it's impossible. I will give the most basic reason. In
: general, we always have difficulty understanding a text where we don't
: have any syntax or punctuation. In the plain Hebrew text of the Torah,
: without punctuation, I could easily read the ten commandments as
: telling me to steal and murder. There's a verse that describes Moses
: being commandment to bring incense. I could easily read it as a
: commandment to use drugs. All we have is a few isolated encoded words
: of a hidden text. Maybe we're missing some very critical words. It's
: literally impossible to learn a coherent story out of the
: juxtaposition of a few words that may be somehow related.

	And if you are right, then that is *PRECISELY* why there would be
no meaningful code present. If you need events that have happened to
happen in order to construct (and the way you've just put it, the word
"construct" is the right word) a "relevant" text.

	Think about this, and please respond meaningfully.