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Article #625022Re: The history of the MONITOR tops-10)
From: wei... Sam Weiner
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:20
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:20
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In article <pidigf$p59$1...@Iltempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se> wrote: >On 2018-07-14 16:45, John Levine wrote: >> In article <picc8e$360$2...@dont-email.me> you write: >>> One tended to be overawed by the PDP10 series, but I wonder if >>> its operating systems would seem rather infra dig compared to Linux >>> today? >> >> In terms of number of features, linux wins by a parsec. > >Not so sure. If we talk about the OS as such, there are a couple of >things Linux has that TOPS-20 don't. But that is true in the other >direction as well. > >Now, if you instead were to talk about useful applications, then sure, >Linux have way more of that. > >> In terms of getting useful work out of a computer that ran at about >> 5MHz (yes, I know the KA was async) and had 1MB of core, TOPS-10 wins >> just as much. It had features that mattered then but don't any more >> like doing disk I/O directly in and out of buffers in user space >> without an extra copy. I could have done without the sequence numbers >> with the flag in the low bit of the word, though. > >Disk directly to buffers in user space in Linux? Sure, it's called mmap. >Which, by the way, is more or less a direct ripoff from TOPS-20. > >> Of course, even TOPS-10 was a pig compared to DTSS which ran on a GE >> 635, about the same speed as a KA-10, with a very slow front end >> terminal mux (sort of like a 680) and provided good performance to 100 >> users. > >One of the more interesting features I remember from Tops-10 was that >you could have a daemon that kicked in when files were accessed that you >did not have access rights to. And that went though a script, which >could modify the rules for access to the file arbitrarily. I remember it >being very cool, and I don't know of anything similar today. [smw] You are talking about FILDAE (file daemon.) See the TOPS-10 Operating System Commands manual for more information. Sam
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