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Article #623438Re: Barb
From: Anne Lynn Wheeler
Date: Wed, 09 May 2018 03:38
Date: Wed, 09 May 2018 03:38
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Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> writes: > Yep, Obama tried to destroy the country by raising gas prices. ??? CFTC use to have rule that players needed significant position in commodity to play because they found speculators resulted in wild, irrational price swings ... then 19 "secret" letters went out to speculators allowing them to play ... resulting in the huge spike in oil & gas summer of 2008 (speculators pump & dump on the way up and then short on the way down, their specialty is wild volitility that the manage). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_energy_crisis https://blog.euromonitor.com/2008/08/special-report-the-1979-vs-2008-oil-spike.html gas hit over $4/gal https://www.treehugger.com/cars/2008-us-gas-price-year-in-review.html Griftopia: A Story of Bankers, Politicians, and the Most Audacious Power Grab in American History https://www.amazon.com/Griftopia-Machines-Vampire-Breaking-America-ebook/dp/B003F3FJS2/ The Great American Bubble Machine https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405 Wikileaks: Speculators Helped Cause Oil Bubble https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/wikileaks-cables-show-speculators-behind-oil-bubble-20110526 2011, member of congress released to the public/press the transactions showing the speculators responsible for the wild volitility. The funny thing is that the press then chastised the member of congress for violation of corporate privacy (aka corporations are people) ... rather than criticising the speculators. post from 2011: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#76 FIA shocked and outraged after Senator leaks oil trading data article https://www.finextra.com/news/fullstory.aspx?newsitemid=22911 Explaining his decision to leak, Sanders says: "This report clearly shows that in the summer of 2008 when gas prices spiked to more than $4 a gallon, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and other speculators on Wall Street dominated the crude oil futures market causing tremendous damage to the entire economy. The CFTC has kept this information hidden from the American public for nearly three years. That is an outrage." ... snip ... 2011 Congressional Resarch Service (at moment website isn't answering) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Research_Service_reports Hedge Fund Speculation and Oil Price https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41902.pdf and: Speculation, Fundamentals, and Oil Prices https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=718960 more https://fas.org/sgp/crs/ posts mentioning Griftopia http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#griftopia turns out some of the same players were responsible for the economic mess. Originally thye paid for triple-A rating on toxic CDOs (securitized mortgages) when the rating agencies knew weren't worth triple-A (from Oct2008 congressional testimony into the role that rating agencies played). That initially allowed them to start doing no-documentation, liar loans, securitize, pay for triple-A and unload as fast as they could be made (eliminating any need to care about borrowers' qualifications and/or loan quality) ... in part opening up selling to investors that are restricted to only dealing in "safe" investments ... like big pension funds (significant contribution to being able to do over $27T 2001-2008). Then they find that the can design toxic CDOs to fail, pay for triple-A, sell to customers and then take out CDS gambling bets that they would fail ... now they cared about loan quality ... but not in good way. The largest holder of these CDS gambling bets was AIG and negotiating to pay off at 50cents on the dolloar, when the SECTREAS steps in and has them sign a document that they can't sue those making the CDS gambling bets and take TARP funds to pay off at face value. The largest recipient of TARP funds is AIG and the largest recipient of face value payoffs is the firm formally headed by SECTREAS. posts mentioning economic mess http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#economic.mess posts mentioning (triple-A rated) toxic CDOs http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#toxic.cdo -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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