🚀 go-pugleaf

J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 17:34:23 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
> <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 22:53:17 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:41:08 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
>>> <a...@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 02:12:36 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> No, even windows 3 was more than a graphical shell. Call it incomplete,
>>>>> faulty, whatever. But certainly more than a graphical shell. It replaced
>>>>> many if not most of the bios and dos calls with its own code, for instance.
>>>> 
>>>> Okay. But deprive it of MS-DOS and it won't work. Same today with the
>>>> Gnome or KDE (or any other) desktop environment for Linux. If there is no
>>>> Linux (or other OS) working below it can't work on its own.
>>> 
>>> Deprive Advanced Netware of MS-DOS and it won't boot.  Doesn't mean it
>>> uses MS-DOS for anything but a boot loader.
>> 
>> I didn't say this. You need an OS or Linux, to run a GUI. Although that
>> changes for Windows with Windows NT/2000 and everything coming thereafter.
> 
> Linux _is_ an OS.  And you said it again just below.
> 
>>> The Windows 9x series became decreasingly DOS-dependent as the
>>> versions increased--going through DOS was the fallback when the 32-bit
>>> drivers didn't work.
>> 
>> Windows 9x still had MS-DOS under the hood. You could even tell Windows 9x 
>> to not boot the GUI and was left on MS-DOS.
> 
> That doesn't mean that DOS is "under the hood".  You don't seem to
> understand the concept of DOS as a boot loader.  That something boots
> DOS in order to boot something else doesn't mean that DOS is "under
> the hood".
> 
>> Same for KDE/Gnome etc. on Linux. Well you can run KDE on Windows if you
>> wish. But KDE and Gnome (and others like XFCE) need an underlying
>> operating system.
> 
> Yes, they do.
> 
> But you are conflating two different things.  One is using an
> operating system as a step in loading a _different_ operating system
> and the other is that _different_ operating system having the loader
> "under the hood".
> 
> Microsoft used DOS to load Windows.  They also had a fallback mode in
> which DOS calls were used instead of native drivers.  That doesn't
> mean that on compatible hardware DOS was playing _any_ role in the
> operation of Windows 9x.
> 

AMD has <something> forget the name which is Linux in firmware to provide
secure protected functionality and boot the actual OS.

-- 
Pete