Article View: alt.folklore.computers
Article #620717Re: Nostalgia
From: Dan Espen
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 20:35
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 20:35
55 lines
4250 bytes
4250 bytes
Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> writes: > On Thu, 2018-03-01, Dan Espen wrote: >> Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> writes: >> >>> On Tue, 2018-02-27, Peter Flass wrote: >>>> Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> wrote: >>> ... >>>>> (Not that I would mind such a discussion. I'd like to know e.g. how >>>>> programming was affected by sitting at a slow serial terminal in the >>>>> 1980s.) >>>> >>>> Or a card reader in the '60s. >>> >>> That too, but I'm personally more interested in the time frame when >>> tools I use today were created: the Unix shells, C compilers, >>> vi/Emacs, troff ... >> >> I didn't consider a terminal on a 300 baud line slow. >> Emacs could scroll through a program reasonably fast >> at that speed. The immediate predecessor to slow terminals >> was cards. A completely different animal. > > Still, you must have been forced to keep more context in your head > than today? Or did you design everything with pencil and paper > beforehand? Pencil and paper goes back to the card days, although I was slightly out of step with my fellows and started with computer documentation during the card era. Once we had any kind of terminal (even slow ones) things changed. You could work online during the day and turn around many tests in one day. > I probably use the same tools today, but I have a huge screen. My > terminals come in color, and the one I use right now is 135x90 rather > than 80x24. I run screen(1) in the terminal, so I have multiple > virtual terminals, with thousands of lines of searchable > scrollback. Emacs is running in a window beside it, also with 90 lines > and color. Lastly, I have Git for version control so I can work in > terms of increments. I got over the attraction of many terminals so never bothered with screen. I did everything inside Emacs. > I'm not writing that to boast, or "look at how advanced we are now!" > I'm genuinely curious about how much all this really helps > productivity. Cards were one to 5 tests per day. Getting online to the computer changed all that. -- Dan Espen
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<p79o6e$6n6$2@dont-email.me>Path:
mbox-mo1.pugleaf.net!130ni641wmv.0!nntp.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mailReferences:
<fennrjFber7U1@mid.individual.net> <p671b4212b3@news2.newsguy.com> <p672qv$74m$1@dont-email.me> <p67o2727bv@news1.newsguy.com> <p6967v$t5b$1@dont-email.me> <p6q0kb$t5$1@reader2.panix.com> <2MWdnbgKEKQjRA_HnZ2dnUU78XHNnZ2d@giganews.com> <ffga3cFrifbU1@mid.individual.net> <ffgu5uF5nalU15@mid.individual.net> <1313349967.541300884.430961.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <p6vrnc$ue5$1@dont-email.me> <slrnp97b4c.eu5.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid> <0lq79dpae03ai000r0690fja58qcud4udu@4ax.com> <781108426.541345708.829546.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <slrnp98rhs.eu5.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid> <1463069258.541386219.019217.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <slrnp9e76p.eu5.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid> <p77q5t$tv2$2@dont-email.me> <slrnp9fv7v.eu5.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Received: by 10.28.21.79 with SMTP id 76mr372979wmv.26.1519936528391; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 12:35:28 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: alt.folklore.computers@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.192.1 with SMTP id z1ls327648wre.8.gmail; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 12:35:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.223.157.196 with SMTP id q4mr353183wre.23.1519936527299; Thu, 01 Mar 2018 12:35:27 -0800 (PST) Path: mbox-mo1.pugleaf.net!130ni641wmv.0!nntp.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Dan Espen <dan1...@gmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Nostalgia Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 15:35:26 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: <p79o6e$6n6$2@dont-email.me> References: <fennrjFber7U1@mid.individual.net> <p671b4212b3@news2.newsguy.com> <p672qv$74m$1@dont-email.me> <p67o2727bv@news1.newsguy.com> <p6967v$t5b$1@dont-email.me> <p6q0kb$t5$1@reader2.panix.com> <2MWdnbgKEKQjRA_HnZ2dnUU78XHNnZ2d@giganews.com> <ffga3cFrifbU1@mid.individual.net> <ffgu5uF5nalU15@mid.individual.net> <1313349967.541300884.430961.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <p6vrnc$ue5$1@dont-email.me> <slrnp97b4c.eu5.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid> <0lq79dpae03ai000r0690fja58qcud4udu@4ax.com> <781108426.541345708.829546.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <slrnp98rhs.eu5.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid> <1463069258.541386219.019217.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <slrnp9e76p.eu5.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid> <p77q5t$tv2$2@dont-email.me> <slrnp9fv7v.eu5.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="c876f2f6bd82bc5384c0b4763a192673"; logging-data="6886"; mail-complaints-to="ab...@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/pSlld0znESaxGf5yuJvI1oIY+8rKsn6E=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:a5FOwSLmSjXONWL4ylXfjM/qazA= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit