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Article #618159Re: Doubts about the HR departments that require knowledge of technology that does not exist.
From: Ahem A Rivets Shot
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:21
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:21
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On 31 Dec 2017 15:48:32 GMT Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> wrote: > On Sun, 2017-12-31, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > This assumes you can even talk to the users. If it is a > > political requirement that everything passes through an > > intermediary, things are inevitably going to get garbled. > > At my first job I finally got a chance to talk directly to > > the customer, and it was amazing how much we were able to > > clear the air. > > I sometimes wonder how many projects are saved by people cutting > through the red tape that way ... Several of mine :) > ... Although once you understand a user's real needs, you're still > paid to tick off the official requirements. On one project there was a documentation group assigned to us, we had the brief to get the job done and make it work - they had the brief to document it as though we had used SSADM to design the system which we point blank refused to do. The documentation team found it difficult - there were parts of the system that could not be described in the constrained terms required by SSADM, apparently it had problems coping with opaque data flows - I think they had to wind up claiming to document all the variations the data could contain, in which case they lied. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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