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Article #1380Re: AHEM! (was Re: Emacs)
From: ign... Dave Ihnat
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1990 23:00
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1990 23:00
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In article <1990Feb13....@world.std.com> b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes: >I suppose you can tell Unix has arrived when self-proclaimed >illuminati have taken the "small is beautiful" ethos and reduced >it to: > > % ls -l /usr/ucb/vi /usr/local/bin/emacs > -rwxrwxr-x 1 spike 794624 Nov 13 14:01 /usr/local/bin/emacs > -rwxr-xr-x 6 root 196608 Apr 24 1989 /usr/ucb/vi > >emacs > vi THEREFORE vi > emacs. QED. > >(or whatever it is they're concluding, fill in the verb.) > >Gee, I really wish software quality measurement was so simple...I >guess these are the same folks who go out and buy the (most/least) >expensive car they can find on the assumption that price==value. I'm not about to stick my head in the "which is better" trap. However, I might suggest that one reason Emacs is *so* large is that it currently has everything but the kitchen sink. I mean, REALLY--if you want to run cellular automata, or write LISP, shouldn't you use an appropriate tool? As it is, Emacs can't be called simply a program editor; it eats most small machines alive and spits out the bits. The Unix credo of "small is beautiful" can be overdone, I agree--but I do think the credo "Do one thing, but do it well" is still a valid point. Tools should be specialized, but with general interfaces so they may be piped or otherwise used to build a more complex environment. I've heard few argue about the functional capabilities of Emacs; I simply argue that if one tool that does everything is to be a desired goal again, let's go right back and resurrect DEC's PIP...
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Path: mbox-mo1.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!shelby!apple!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!chinet!ignatz From: ign...@chinet.chi.il.us (Dave Ihnat) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: AHEM! (was Re: Emacs) Summary: If you like all-purpose utilities, resurrect PIP... Keywords: emacs, editors, beluga software Message-ID: <1990Feb14.230018.14983@chinet.chi.il.us> Date: 14 Feb 90 23:00:18 GMT References: <21743@unix.cis.pitt.edu> <4504@rtech.rtech.com> <51073@bbn.COM> <6194@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> <4534@amelia.nas.nasa.gov> <2878@paperbo <1990Feb13.031811.3909@world.std.com> Sender: Dave Ihnat Reply-To: ign...@chinet.chi.il.us (Dave Ihnat) Organization: Chinet - Chicago Public Access UNIX Lines: 29 Posted: Thu Feb 15 00:00:18 1990 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit